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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Race is close because the news media has a vested interest in it being close, so they are very selective to not report on anything that could crush trump out of the running. because contention and conflict drives viewership and ratings. So does another Trump presidency, and the media has dropped all pretense on who their preferential candidate is for that reason.

Which is why they spent a month harping on the mass hallucination of Bidens supposed mental incompetence, yet havent done so much as very briskly brush by the same topic on trumps very obvious, very public, very recorded decline. or his increasingly nazi-like rhetoric. or him doing anything that would have anyone else out of the race if it was reported on properly

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

Or because most major news outlets are owned by the billionaires that want those sweet sweet trump tax cuts?

Fox News is the preferred station by older republican audiences. They're also the most consistently voting. So all the propaganda they push gets swallowed due to the lack of journalistic integrity.

[–] griD@feddit.org 2 points 20 hours ago

Because "Information Age" misses a prefix, simple as.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's entirely the EC.

Biden won by ten million votes, and it was still a clencher because some idjit in kansas thinks the candidates sucking Pennsylvania's fracking drill all election keeps their interests represented.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If it was 70-30, like it should be, the electoral college wouldn't be relevant.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Because Trump is energizing his base with lies and propaganda designed to get them angry and motivated, while Kamala has squandered the enthusiasm her base had for her by pursuing disaffected center-right never-Trumpers. It's basically the same strategy Hillary Clinton ran in 2016 and it's terrifying to watch the Democrats gamble on it yet again.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The Harris campaign must pursue those voters in order to win. They are the voters who live in battleground states. Pursuing a hard-left strategy the way everyone on lemmy wants is a guaranteed loss.

This is the problem with the non-proportional EC makeup. Unfortunately it’s not going to change any time soon because the party who wins got there on the old system.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Thank you, this is a spectacular example of how Democrats use faulty logic and bad faith arguments to defeat themselves. I'm going to break it down for everybody so we can all understand why they keep losing.

The Harris campaign must pursue those voters in order to win. They are the voters who live in battleground states.

This is confidently stated as fact, but not only is there no evidence to support this statement, there's strong evidence against it. This is, at its core, the same statement that Chuck Schumer made when predicting a Democratic sweep in 2016:

"For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia. And you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin."

Not only did this strategy fail spectacularly in 2016, we're watching it fail in 2024; Harris has recently dropped in all crucial swing states. The only thing backing up this argument is its proponents' self-confidence (or self-delusion).

Moving on:

Pursuing a hard-left strategy the way everyone on lemmy wants is a guaranteed loss.

Here, we leave behind false assertions and move into bad-faith arguments. Notice how the user completely ignored the voters I mentioned (her base) in order to pivot to what they think is an easier target: Lemmy users. Sure, if Kamala Harris came out in support of the abolition of capitalism, she'd lose, but no (or at least no one serious) is saying she'd win if she did.

What people are actually saying is much more tangible and and reasonable: sharpen your criticism of Israel and increase your Palestinian outreach if you want to win Michigan; don't just talk about the middle-class, get your working-class base out with transformative social programs (like Biden proposed in 2020; stop hanging out with Liz Fucking Cheney, for Christ sake. These are all criticisms the user sidestepped by creating a false dichotomy between the, "hard-left," and Harris' current strategy.

Finally:

This is the problem with the non-proportional EC makeup. Unfortunately it’s not going to change any time soon because the party who wins got there on the old system.

This is unrelated, but incorrect. The Democrats have won the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections; they would abolish the Electoral College in a heartbeat, but it would require a constitutional amendment, which they'll never get passed. It has nothing to do with the fact that, "the party who wins got there on the old system."

Anyway, this is how the Democrats continuously fail. First, they convinced themselves that the only way to win is to get centrist voters, even though evidence doesn't bear that out. Next, they dismiss criticism of this strategy as, "far-left." Finally, if they lose (which is looking alarming possible this election), they will blame leftists for not supporting them strongly enough, thus allowing them to continue the same strategy next election without self-reflection...assuming there is a next election, which no longer feels like a given.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

This is confidently stated as fact, but not only is there no evidence to support this statement, there’s strong evidence against it.

i agreed with all of the other statements in your comment and this one's the most fascinating to me: can you share some of this evidence, please?

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Those semi-con swing voters are deciding this election though. Nobody else is "on the fence" right now.

Jesus christ, we saw two assassination attempts on Trump and it didn't change polls. While polls are trash and not to be trusted, they still would have changed if there was some large amount of moderate undecided voters.

And lets not forget H. Clinton won the popular vote by millions of votes. Yes, the Dems are addicting to losing and make the worst decisions in order to appeal to the most useless people, but they're also playing against a stacked deck here.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

I broke this down in another comment, but there's really no evidence that this moderate strategy will work. Democrats win when their base turns out, and they lose when their base isn't motivated. Watching Harris campaign with Liz Cheney doesn't motivate the base. They may pick up some moderate voters in PA (though, again, it didn't work in 2016, so there's no reason to think it will work now), but it's not going to matter if she loses Michigan because of a hard-right position on Israel.

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[–] quink@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

this race...

this race?

The past three Republican presidents saw a job growth of 1 million, the past three Democratic presidents 51 million. Now sure, the president doesn't define every aspect of the economy, but my god that big a discrepancy is not accidental. As someone not from America, I don't understand why this race is so close, but why any race involving the Republicans, even outside of Trump, would be. I'll consider Romney an exception though, but he doesn't seem representative of the Republican Party before or after him.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 93 points 1 day ago (13 children)

it's close because racism, jeebus, and guns. it seems like it should be more than that, but it isn't. broke uneducated GOP voters literally don't care about anything except for some combination of the above 3 things, because that's what the 1% propaganda machine told them to do

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Let's not forget the group that's voting 3rd party due to the situation in Israel. Does it make sense to do, no, but they will do it.

I've tried to discuss it in the ML communities but as soon as you start proving your points with solid facts they just delete everything you said, censored and banned, a bit ironic.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the gayz in there too 🥴

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gay panic is passe, it's trans panic now.

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[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 76 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Every time some ridiculous shit like this happens, I remember when Howard Dean yelled a little too loud and that invalidated his entire political career.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 points 21 hours ago

Been thinking this thought a lot lately. IIRC he was a decent man and likely would have been a decent president - but god forbid he get a little excited at a rally. Meanwhile, Trump has proven that literally nothing he could do or has done would change the mind of his voters. He could start and end every speech with a Howard Dean scream, and no one would even bat an eye.

 

(And I seem to also recall hearing that the isolated microphone of his scream that we've all heard a hundred times did not reflect how it even sounded at the event.)

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[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Most conservatives believe state education isn't anything more than brainwashing against conservative ideas.

They're 100% correct. Education tends to make one confront reality and live in the real world, a very un-conservative concept.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 4 points 22 hours ago

Sucks for them that reality has a liberal bias.

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[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

As John Stewart would say: well I'm still undecided... Cause a horse kicked my head.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago

The race is close because Republicans have built something better than a platform when you're dealing with ignorant masses.

They built a brand.

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