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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

These are all sort of parody to begin with but the purpose of the trolley dilemma isn't about the results of the lever switch, it's about approaching complicity and participation in a system that creates this kind of immoral choice.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (6 children)

But if you have a choice between lots of violence and less violence isn't it immoral not to try and at least minimize the violence that you have to no power to stop?

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago

I mean that's why I referred to this as a parody: the point is with the trolley dilemma is that you're being forced to participate in an immoral choice (the lever), not just that the lever applies or absolves the user from a moral liability.

A major part of the exercise is that the choice seems simple to flip the switch as plain harm reduction, but that people change their calculus the moment the single victim has a personal connection: (it is their parent, spouse, child being killed instead of the other 5 strangers.)

The forced immoral act (killing) ceases to be the moral quandry and instead harm reduction is the level of personal connection and culpability that people begin to weigh.

Since these memes tend to portray the trolley effectively running down both tracks with one outcome, the whole premise is kind of defeated.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Democrats could nominate hitler reincarnated but you people would people would be defending them because republicans would have hitler reincarnated but who also hates animals. "Other guy worse" as a defense only means things continue getting worse because there will always be something worse. When can things actually get better for a change?

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I keep trying to explain this to people, maybe this graphic will work.

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[–] ShadowFlower@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Wtf. I've never seen so many people annoyed that their fellows are protesting genocide. How do you take a situation like this and make it a fucking trolley meme.

[–] sylveon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 4 days ago (10 children)

I don’t think people are saying you shouldn’t protest the genocide. You should! But it’s stupid to not vote for Harris over it because letting Trump win doesn’t just throw women, LGBTQ people, etc. under the bus, it also makes the genocide of Palestinians even worse.

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