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I think most of us who moved here from Reddit are enjoying our time here on kbin.social. We've left a lot of the riff-raff behind us and made new friends with intelligent, thoughtful members of kbin, Lemmy, Mastodon, etc..

But we need to spread out.

Not only have we stressed the server with thousands of immigrating users, but we were being watched by darker forces, namely Meta and Instagram.

A quick search of the net will show that we were not the first mass-migration. The first migration was last year when people from 'the bird site' (rhymes with jitter) fled Elon Musk's new regime. Most of those people moved to Mastodon.

We largely moved to kbin. Kbin.social to be more exact.

I'm a member of both Mastodon and kbin, and a couple of posts shocked me. The first one about Meta I have found again:

https://mastodon.social/@gnarkotics/110568580882355105

The second one about Instagram I have failed to locate, but the gist was that Instagram had reached out to one of the larger Fediverse servers and asked the person who runs to have a meeting 'off the record'. That person turned them down and told other members of the Fediverse what happened. The general consensus is that this was going to be a monetary offer to allow Instagram to further colonize the Fediverse by purchasing one of the larger servers.

And therein lies the problem: if the majority of users gravitate to a few large servers, then that leaves those larger servers vulnerable to exploitation.

I, as a recent immigrant, did not understand this. I thought that, intuitively, we should all gather in one place and grow the server. It's the exact opposite. We need to spread out to smaller instances. This didn't really register with me until I spoke with this person.

https://fedi.getimiskon.xyz/objects/77a0f3cd-6f31-42f7-a3ea-29af8b25c0b3

Remember too that having an account on a smaller instance still allows us to see everything on kbin.social. For example, look at this:

https://kbin.social

We are looking at a mixture of posts from Lemmy and kbin.

Moving to a smaller instance does not limit your interactions. What damages the fediverse is people trying to recreate all of Reddit on one instance.

TLDR: If you like it here, the best thing you can do for the fediverse right now is to set up on one of the less populous instances.

I invite correction and clarifications.

EDIT: Adding further sources below.

Meta/Facebook is inviting Fediverse admins under NDA for “meetings” (mstdn.social)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36384207

Facebook, Inc. is planning to join the Fediverse. How do we make it lose as much money as possible?
https://www.loomio.com/d/QoH98Gg6/facebook-inc-is-planning-to-join-the-fediverse-how-do-we-make-it-lose-as-much-money-as-possible

Beware Of Meta Offering Gifts To Mastodon
https://medium.com/nextwithtech/beware-of-meta-offering-gifts-to-mastodon-6adb317e039d

Meta vs Mastodon: Battle for the Future of Decentralized Social Media
https://marketingnewscanada.com/news/meta-vs-mastodon-battle-for-the-future-of-decentralized-social-media

Legal-Copyright discussion from Mastodon yesterday
ttps://mas.to/@franktaber/110602489997086618

And a cartoon to boot

https://cutie.city/@nuz/110602855304673785

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[–] LostCause@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I agree with you actually and I already made accounts on some Lemmy instances, one of which is tiny and real nice. I still use this one for now as it‘s easier for me on mobile, but I‘m checking the others too and it has the same content! I will probably switch over completely once a few more apps released.

[–] shadowtux@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I fully agree with you. The thing is that with /kbin that it's not ready to be fully used yet and there's quite a many growing pains still. I've tried to self host and been on couple of other instances and it's not been working well on different levels compared to kbin.social that has been working quite great since registration. My end goal is to self host it for my self sometime in the future but not yet.

[–] Gargleblaster@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't say to self host. Just move over to something like kbin.cafe, which has far fewer users than kbin.social and you can still see, comments, and post over here.

[–] NotTheOnlyGamer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're probably wrong about what Meta's intents are for the Fediverse. We've heard some things about a prospective product from Meta called "Threads", which would be connected to the fediverse or the threadiverse. I'm looking forward to what they bring, and what it will mean for communication through Meta. If they can make it more locally focused and make it easier to reach out to people local to me, I will be very interested; doubly if it can be used from a web browser. I actually want a central place to communicate. I also understand that these companies need to make money; and I recognize that I am a user, not a customer. I have no interest in paying, so I'll defend myself in a marginal way and just keep moving.

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[–] downforwardbackbackhighkick@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a shit take - every 12 hours there's some cunt in here telling us what to do like the world's going to end if we don't - calm your fucking shit and quit talking out of your ass and out of turn

[–] Gargleblaster@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Meta/Facebook is inviting Fediverse admins under NDA for “meetings” (mstdn.social)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36384207

Facebook, Inc. is planning to join the Fediverse. How do we make it lose as much money as possible?
https://www.loomio.com/d/QoH98Gg6/facebook-inc-is-planning-to-join-the-fediverse-how-do-we-make-it-lose-as-much-money-as-possible

Beware Of Meta Offering Gifts To Mastodon
https://medium.com/nextwithtech/beware-of-meta-offering-gifts-to-mastodon-6adb317e039d

Meta vs Mastodon: Battle for the Future of Decentralized Social Media
https://marketingnewscanada.com/news/meta-vs-mastodon-battle-for-the-future-of-decentralized-social-media

Legal-Copyright discussion from Mastodon yesterday
ttps://mas.to/@franktaber/110602489997086618

And a cartoon to boot

https://cutie.city/@nuz/110602855304673785

[–] ThatBikeGuy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

i think whats missing is the ability to migrate a community to a different server within the federation.

[–] spacedogroy@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

This is a bit premature. If and it is a big if a nefarious corporate entity was to purchase an instance, then magazines would be re-established on other instances and so would users. The instance would effectively die off and be reborn elsewhere. For most people I sense this wouldn't be an issue as the cost of moving instances and creating new accounts is generally quite low.

If you are concerned around the possibility though, you can always set up a new single user instance, which you have more control over.

To be honest, the only reason to move accounts at this point would be if the instance administrator asked - due to issues with load, for example - in order to be a good citizen. Until that time, try not to worry and enjoy the fediverse 🙂

[–] readbeanicecream@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I like it here. I will stay awhile. I tried mastodon and beehaw. Both of them are fine, but I must prefer kbin.social. As things evolve, who knows what will happen, but for now, I am content.

[–] osc@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Meta requesting NDAs to discuss P92 means literally nothing. I once signed a NDA with a prospect (not even a client), and the whole thing unraveled in a very nasty way when said prospect showed very little respect for my work. The fact Meta wants people to sign NDAs to discuss a not-yet-public project is no grand conspiracy to kill the Fediverse. It's literally just how companies work.

More generally, the discourse over Meta joining the Fediverse is beyond irrational. People are discussing rumors as if they were facts (is there any evidence that Meta has offered payments to Mastodon admins?). They hypothesize and catastrophize everything. What about facts and reasonable hypotheses?

I'm not trying to defend Meta here. I don't trust them, at all. But not trusting them, and inventing an alternative reality, are two completely different things.

[–] steebo_jack@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

We are more reactive than proactive so just wait till kbin.social gets bought out before migrating again to another - smaller - instance...

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