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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Bombcock, bombcock,
send your asshole into shock ...

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

3/4 of volume is taken by wood, what are you, russian logistics officer?

also no way to attach spoon-type igniter, this thing is properly ancient design

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

want longer range? hear me out:

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’ve seen the videos of boot instructors being rightfully paranoid that the boots are gonna drop the live grenades during training, I feel like adding these into the mix would straight up give them heart attacks.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago
[–] thebigslime@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Ye olde grenade yeeter

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The fun part is they used to be shipped without the ignitor installed so a lot of the duds were simply because people didn't follow instructions and didn't grab the little tin filled with ignitors.

soviet pattern grenades are shipped disassembled even today, but it's kinda harder to miss that you don't have the entire pin and spoon mechanism

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 92 points 3 days ago (17 children)

baseball.

The average American could be expected to already know how to throw a baseball, so it was easier to change the equipment to fit the user than to train every fucking soldier how to throw a lopsided stick.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's a reason for then not now.

Better question is then why didn't Germany stick with the old design instead of switching to more "modern" looking grenades?

And the answer is NOT "baseball". The answer is that they're too heavy and cumbersome. And the cons outweighs the pros.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The answer is it simplified NATO logistics

Pray we don't simplify it further

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[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

That and all the other reasons. The only stick grenades still around in appreciable numbers are anti-armor grenades where the handle has a parachute inside. For normal fragmentation grenades, essentially everyone has moved to non-stick grenades (except the USMC who want to make stick grenades).

Even in WW2, the Germans produced more of the boring looking Model 39 grenades than they did of the iconic and eye catching stick grenades. People notice what they want to notice.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Is this why soldiers in the rest of the world kick their grenades like a soccer ball?

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Knife juggler here, so I have a lot of experience throwing off-CG objects...

It's not really that different from throwing a baseball. It's a little more difficult to catch, but with very little practice ( like 5 or 10 minutes) you'll be able to do it. That being said, I think the "baseball" style grenades where adopted because they can fit through smaller openings, you can roll or tumble them towards your target, they're harder to see, and harder to scoop up and throw back.

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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 121 points 3 days ago (13 children)
[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Anything can be a dildo if you are brave enought

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 49 points 3 days ago

This destroys the butthole.

[–] noxy@yiffit.net 19 points 3 days ago

count to ten

Ooh, bonus shrapnel!

[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago
[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Barbed for my pleasure uwu

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[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I can carry 8 modern hand grenades, or 2 of those things.

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

We should use those ball throwers for dogs. Imagine the distance you could get! Then you could have 8 normal grenades and throw them stupid distances.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

An atlatl for grenades!

A splatlatl, if you will.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 81 points 3 days ago (8 children)

The Germans did have hand grenades without a stick. Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations, and the little one was favored for defense.

I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 3 days ago

Also they're way bigger, taking more space in storage and when in transport

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

We have grenade launchers now.

Someone needs to make one that fires the stick grenades. At 3500 RPM.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Once again NCD reinvents the bolter

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[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations

A minor addendum, the M24 and M43 stick grenades both had fragmentation sleeves produced for them. These could be quickly fitted over the grenades to change them from offensive to defensive grenades. Similar to the RGD-33 stick grenades used by the Soviets.

I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.

The difference between offensive and defensive grenades is defined by how much fragmentation they produce. Without a fragmentation sleeve, a German stick grenade produces blast and concussion but very minimal fragmentation, making it's practical danger area smaller. This is good for an offensive grenade where the person throwing it likely has less cover than the person receiving it. A defensive grenade produces fragmentation, and is desired when the person throwing it has cover to hide behind safely.

The non-stick grenade commonly used by the Germans in WW2, was the Model 39 ("egg grenade"), and it actually came in both offensive and defensive flavors. So really, either a stick or egg grenade could be used for either role.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] _bcron_@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

Yeah, the basic premise for these things is that they have a smaller radius, but you can throw them further, so the enemy has to deal with it exactly the same, but since the radius is smaller and you threw it further, it gives you a much larger space in which you can advance and not worry about shrapnel. Basically lob a couple and while you don't have to deal with so much suppressive fire, advance and find cover and do it all over again.

For defensive scenarios, you generally aren't advancing, you're just wanting the enemy to not advance, so a pineapple works just as well, if not better. It gives you a big boom, and psychologically that gives you an edge. You might also get flushed out and wind up in close quarters kinds of environments where the grenade on a stick just doesn't work, but the pineapple is easy enough to lob out of a window or bunker or around a corner. In any sort of urban or close quarters environment you'd want the flexibility of a baseball as opposed to throwing a bat.

Kind of a trench war novelty, but they've evolved to be more of an antiarmor thing - throw a parachute on it so it's aligned vertically, make it detonate when it lands, make it blow straight down as opposed to all over the place, and try to get that thing to land on a tank

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[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (4 children)
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wisest wizard gets weird in the marines

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[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago
[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How about just clubbing someone with a live explosive?

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This only works if you are black and Scottish

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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Too many people tried using them as hammers.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

TNT filler is very stable. It's fine. I mean, the grenades would not be great as hammers, but they won't explode at a touch.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Can give you pleasure

Idk, the round ones do just fine for me, just a bit different form of pleasure.

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Pineapples are ribbed for pleasure

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

>can give you pleasure

Are we saying blowing stuff up is fun, or telling you to go fuck yourself with a grenade?

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago
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