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A new survey from Norway reveals that 50% of young people under 30 believe that pirating content is an acceptable way to save money. The survey, conducted by Ipsos, highlights that the high cost of streaming services is a key driver behind this attitude. Links between piracy and organized crime or malware, appear to be of less concern.

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As a norwegian who is back to pirating after a break of around 10-12 years, it is not primarily a cost issue. Hell with hardware investments it is costing me more tho that includes stuff for gaming (roms, i currently dont pirate pc games).

What it is is a service issue. Self curated collection of movies and shows beats the fragmented shit that is current streaming platforms not to mention the flood of utter garbage on tgese platforms you have to sift thru to find somethinf worth watching. Not to mention the privacy aspects and in general the "ownership" model (ie licensing without really knowing the terms).

Fuck that shit and im never getting fooled again.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Music artists aren't getting paid.

Companies regularly buy up IP, then leave it unavailable.

No central ability to find things.

All licenses are temporary and have no end date.

Companies are regularly raising rates far beyond inflation.

Lowering quality for a given price, then making a higher price point to get it back.

Adding advertisements and raising rates to get rid of them.

Selling our watching habits.

Or, you can download it and not deal with any of that.

When piracy rates go up, it's because customer service and value has gone down.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah. I stopped pirating for like 3 years because of Netflix having enough content to occupy me (and I had a he'll of a lot more time on my hands then than I do now). Now Netflix doesn't have shit and everything is spread over a ton of services. I can either constantly be changing subscriptions around or pay like 7$ a month for a VPN and have everything..... Hmmm, tough choice.

[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Half of young Norwegians are wrong

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

That’s a great answer.

Safe sailing on the high seas, me hearties.

[–] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

As a young Norwegian I can say that I've saved a bit of money by pirating. I have a nas with 10s of tb of movies disney or Warner bros can't delete from my library.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 day ago

If I can't own it, why would I pay for it?

[–] NeoToasty@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 1 day ago

Corporate Businesses treat streaming services like it's Cable all over again. Content available here, content available there, no content available anywhere for some shows and movies.

Gaming industry pushing hard to default everything to $70 as the norm, while certain editions are in triple digits and even having the gall to ask for another $30 or $40 for battle passes.

Spotify CEO and Joe Rogan both are paid far more than any music artist on the platform.

[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 169 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well, since I don't own what I buy, I don't see how pirating is anything other than getting something from a cheaper distributor.

After all, how can I steal something that can't be owned?

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You see, streaming is a service and you choosing to not use their service is... uhmm... theft!

hahaha such entitlement from them, right?

[–] avattar@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I'm just watching/playing the content, I'm fine doing that without the license, which is the paid part anyway, right?

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 29 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Honestly, I'm surprised it's only 50%. They don't have a cost of living crisis there?

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Well, 50% of young people asked were willing to admit to their piracy lol

Not really. Just stay away from the capital/Oslo.

I suppose they don't use their superlatives quite that inflationarily.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 62 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As a Norwegian I talked to some acquaintances about a TV-series they liked and I asked "Cool, where can I watch it?". Then we all just looked at each other and laughed.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

I would laugh too

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Norway is so expensive 😬 even for us Swiss people

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 112 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

People are being exploited and screwed over left and right. Piracy is not even a blip on the radar.

If society was built on moral rules and honest behavior, then maybe people should feel bad about pirating. But this society? Lols.

I struggle to even see the difference from slavery on most days.

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When companies treat you as a criminal even when you do try to do everything their way, it really becomes hard to care.

The way many companies act, you'd think they believe that you have to be a sucker to buy/use their own products.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

Even when honest, I can approve the piracy in those days, as companies exploit everything, it acceptable for me.

[–] MelastSB@sh.itjust.works 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Young people under 30

as opposed to old people under 30, like me! Still pirate though

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's for old people over 30, like me, so we feel old.

[–] example@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

what about young people over 30 though?

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

Specifically excluding the ones who are exactly 30, since those transcend the confines of young and old.

I think regular people who started to use the internet during the 90s and 2000s tend to know how to pirate more than the ones who started using them at a later decade.

excludig techie people here because

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Links between piracy and organized crime or malware, appear to be of less concern.

When rich have rape sex trafficked victims this one never comes up 🤡

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Or the fact that the billionaires are burning the most oil (which Norway sells them BTW) and baking the whole planet.

[–] remon@ani.social 28 points 2 days ago (8 children)
[–] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It saves a lot of money for each subscription service you can skip.

I only had to buy a VPN and a cheap mini PC as a server. And then a 1tb SSD. Then I needed to buy another 2tb. And then I had to run Ethernet upstairs for it since the WiFi card couldn't keep up. Then I had to upgrade the router to support the new gigabit cabling...

Eh, well, at least I get to keep something out of it.

[–] remon@ani.social 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm going for a bit more storage, currently sitting at 108TB. The price of my home server could pay for around 75 years of Netflix.

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Selection is probably better though

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, at least you OWN something. With digital games or subscription services you are at the mercy of companies.

[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If you only leech and you're not a hoarder, it really doesn't require much. For most people there's not really any need to store every single piece of media they've ever consumed or hope to consume...some day...maybe. Or setup tools to automate their uncontrollable hoarding.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Oh God this is going to become the new "clearing away all grandpa's old Playboys and VHS tapes and newspapers," isn't it?

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[–] smb@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 days ago

well, before that and for generations, banks printing money was an acceptable way of governments to make rich people richer and all others poorer, so i can fully accept that stealing was learned from govs and the richies there. change how "the successfull" accomplish their successes and you can teach the kids how to live without stealing, keep abuse by gov and richies as is and all the theft is done exactly as ordered by govs and richies, no matter the age.

[–] PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That figure’s come down significantly since the age of vikings though

[–] DashboTreeFrog@discuss.online 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Saving money by" vs "making money by"

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"A penny saved is a penny earned!"
- Benji F

[–] PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A penny pillaged is a penny earned

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Are... Ummm... Is this flirting? Can't it instead be "A penny taken bowling and then for ice cream" instead of going straight to pillaging?

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 17 points 2 days ago

Those are rookie numbers, you've got to pump those up.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I have a few Norweigan friends and they say the same.

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