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I mean, this question is not just about normal criminals.

Think like very bad crimes. Like serial killers, rapists, child rapists, terrorists, corrupt officials, terrible leaders, cruel dictators, generals that ignore laws of war, or like people has bad as Hitler. Which of these people do you think deserve a respectful burial, if any.

Is there a level of evilness that you think should not be allowed to have a proper buriel or have their corpses mutilated. Or should everyone deserve a respectful burial regardless of crimes.

I personally don't even know how to answer this question myself. Like the funeral isn't even for the dead. Its for the living. So to me, the question seems like, should the relatives of a bad person be allowed to see the corpse treated respectfully. I personally don't have an answer to this question.

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[–] monkeyman512@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I'm inclined to treat the body with what I would call "professionalism". You are not emotionally attached beyond the desire to do your job well. Though I am not opposed to some people getting a burial at sea. The better for them to be forgotten.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Odd thing to fixate on, but yes. We ought to spend our energy on the terrible people still alive. Who cares what they do to the demon husks once they can’t hurt anyone anymore? Bury it with flowers and fireworks for all I care. Let’s focus on the suffering of the living.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Oh I have random throughts all the time. I read an article about the US sending SEALs to kill a designated terrorist leader and they gave him a burial according to his culture, so I just though that was very interesting. Like I expected military people to just burn or mutilate the body.

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[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

The thing is, other shitty people care. They see how we treat dead shitty people and, because humans are irrational, see it as a reward for their behaviour in life. That's also why I'm against the notion of not speaking ill of the dead - no, people need to realise that they won't be respected when they're dead if they were shitty.

I know it doesn't matter, rationally. But humans are weird and care about what people will think when they're gone.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I personally don't even know how to answer this question myself. Like the funeral isn't even for the dead. Its for the living.

You are exactly on the right track.

It is only for the living. The dead one is not affected in any way anymore, whatever you do.

So to me, the question seems like, should the relatives of a bad person be allowed to see the corpse treated respectfully.

Turn the question around and it becomes easy:

Should the relatives of a bad person get punished along with him? Obviously not. They deserve the full, normal respect. So let them have the burial as they wish it.

[–] Atin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Bury them as soon as they are convicted.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes. No exception. Period.

Because the burial is not for the dead themselves, but for anyone left behind.

No matter how vile a person is, it's likely that they had at least a person or two who miss them.

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Volunteers among both their loved ones and their victims should vote on every aspect of it. /j

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't have an opinion on that, but I do think they don't deserve us to call them by their names. Having their name go down in history is what they want — referring to them descriptively (eg. 'the tyrant who took over Nazi Germany') takes the focus away from the person and puts it on their horrible actions – which anyone with those traits, not necessarily just A**** ****** could have done.

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As long as I get my dumpster burial I think even bad people can have the burial of their dreams.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bruh why are you trying to terrify those poor sanitation workers?

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I want a Viking dumpster burial with all the fixins, no sanitation workers are needed

Lol I though you wanted to throw your body like on the curb where they pick up the trash lol

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

There was a serial paedophile killer in the UK who killed (after doing other things) someone I know's daughter. When he died, he was cremated and dumped in the ocean in an undisclosed location from a boat. This was only released after the fact.

[–] chronotron@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[–] fakir@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago (12 children)

If you dig up a skeleton, can you tell if that person was evil or charitable in his lifetime? We're all merely copies of each other and are equally capable of all the good and all the bad in the world depending on our individual circumstances and upbringings. Nothing is black and white and everything is gray. You'd be Putin too if you were in his shoes.

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there's a huge debate on what "bad" means.

but if we skip that and just single out an opinion, like for my opinion, the dead bad person isn't affecting me anymore so I just let it go.

should the relatives of a bad person be allowed to see the corpse treated respectfully

good question. afaik, i haven't heard of countries or governments trying to own corpses.
... i was wrong

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