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[–] Trekman10@sh.itjust.works 31 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Just waiting for the day when someone can explain to me what makes a man a man without describing skills, qualities, and actions that anyone can do regardless of gender.

And don't tell me it's "have a penis", because if that were true then effeminate men wouldn't be insulted all the time for not being "real" men, and there wouldn't be toxic masculinity.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm a man because I say I'm a man and fuck anyone who tells me otherwise.

And that applies to anyone with any gender. Because it's not about anyone but that person.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Otherwise

Now fuck me please

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I never said I would be doing the fucking.

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[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

Same question for women. Gender is only useful insofar as we decide it is. We have an inherent nature to categorize and differentiate, and in some cases that makes a lot of sense, but outside of strictly biological facts, that distinction between genders is nebulous at best.

Like religion, gender identity is personal, even if it stems from society. No two people will share the same opinion, it'd probably be weird if they did, and as long as they're not using their opinion as basis for fact, do whatever you want, man woman or anyone in between, outside, or around the spectrum.

[–] dragonfucker 3 points 6 days ago

A man is someone who identifies as a man.

Yes, it's circular.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Gender is a social construct that is, gladly, starting to fail.

I hope that in some years people would stop refering to having any gender, and they'll just have the social behavior they'd like best when they like it best. And will only discuss their sex when it's medically relevant.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Sadly unlikely because it's rooted in biological differences (mainly hormones), so on average there will be sex-based differences. I'd love it if people stopped stereotyping because of that but I doubt itll ever happen. Maybe we can at least get rid of the idea of gendered hobbies and such, but even then most people want to identify as part of a group so there will likely always be some association.

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[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I've never heard anyone say that phrase, is it possible that people use that expression to mean "a man likes to feel like a man... not a machine"? Ie he has thoughts, emotions, and priorities. He is not a commodity, his worth is more than just profit he can produce.

Not that women don't also have those attributes, just that "man" is being used as an outdated shorthand for humanity.

[–] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

I'm not sure how i feel about the post altogether. I mean, i understand that toxic masculinity is bad, but this post needs some assumptions and context to make me want to side with it. For example, if I saw some guy just kinda minding his business doing silly guy stuff and the context was he wants to "feel like a man," i don't think i would be offended or concerned?

r/justguysbeingdudes comes to mind

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've heard this one before from my conservative grandma, It's when a girl is doing something manly that the guy ""should"" be doing. Like if a girl is carrying in all the groceries while a guy is just watching someone would say "let [guy] do it, he's supposed to feel like a man"

This came up a lot as my sister is very much a 'do it yourself' kinda gal whereas her (now ex) boyfriend wasn't much of an initiative taker.

It's not about a guy not doing manly things, it's about stopping women from doing manly things.
(also note I'm using 'manly' in the stereotypical terms, not how I personally see them)

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[–] dragonfucker 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"A man likes to feel like a man" is a good reason to allow trans men to get top surgery.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's hard to tell from the context, but it felt to me more like something a right-wing guy with really unrealistic expectations says to their soon to be ex-girlfriend (or possibly to the fiance in the marriage the church arranged) about how they need to be the one in charge.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Yeah I think we should believe that the witness correctly interpreted the meaning in the given context, but we shouldn't assume that everyone that says it means it like that. It's context dependant.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

And if i have to pretend that your ass looks good for you to feel good about your ass, your ass doesn’t look good.

Now let’s get past the idea that relationships don’t involve theater for our partner’s benefit.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Or maybe we are just sick and tired of fighting the world and don’t want that kind of drama at home with our partner.

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