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Me months ago: "the NRA matters and feminism matters and the solution is making sure women have more and larger guns and better tactical training."

Everyone back then was like "no guns are bad!" and now suddenly, look who is seeing the light.

Trans people should not be armed. Trans people should be given vouchers to buy large amounts of weapons so they can be HEAVILY armed and also should be given subsidized weapons training by the government.

When I meet a trans women, I want to admire her dress and know she has excellent tactical training.

We need to stop seeing gun rights as a left or right issue and appreciate the fact that guns are anti-tyranny. The left's constant anti-stance alienates a huge number of working class people as well. The problem with any sort of "reasonable restrictions" is the government always wants more, more regulation, more rules, and little by little it gets harder for the average guy or gal or intersex person. Liberals need to stop alienating middle America with this anti-gun stuff so we can protect trans people.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 47 points 4 days ago (17 children)

Fucking FINALLY.

Yes, women should be armed. Gay people should be armed. Trans people should be armed. Religious minorities should be armed. People that are on the political left never should have ceded the right to keep and bear arms to the political right.

I'm planning on getting certified as a firearms instructor through the NRA (because no matter how shitty the NRA-ILA is, the training programs are solid) this coming year so that I can start working with The Pink Pistols and Operation Blazing Spear.

I would strongly suggest that people try reading This Nonviolence Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible.

If you're one of the people that is considering getting a gun, please listen to the "It Could Happen Here" podcast episode titled, Safe Gun Ownership.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

The whole Russian project was to have our "polite society" collapse as we, as Americans, lost all faith in our institutions and turned against one another and in the process, also lost any kind of collective identity, which makes us a weaker target externally. That happened.

It's crazy to me, looking back, how much this was openly discussed along the way, as it successfully happened in slow motion over the last 10-15 years - wasn't there also a book released that just laid their strategy bare? If there are historians in the future, will be amazing to read the perspective on all of this with time and analysis from those not trapped within the cycle of death and hopelessness.

[–] Infomatics90@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 days ago

Yes it is called the foundations of geopolitics, written by Aleksandr Dugin. Its free to read on the internet archive.

[–] Denidil@lemm.ee 19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It works because those of us who read and learn about things like this are a minority of the population. Not one large enough to counteract the effect either.

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[–] kipo@lemm.ee 80 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Jessie McGrath, 63, a lifelong Republican who is trans, grew up around guns on farms in Colorado and Nebraska. She decided to vote for Harris when Republicans started attacking gender-affirming care and “wanting to basically outlaw my ability to exist”. She ended up being a delegate at the Democratic national convention.

“Government getting involved in making healthcare decisions is something that I never thought I would see the Republican party doing,” she said.

What the actual...how are people this ignorant.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

You know how some cis people are fucking morons? We won’t better than y’all.

[–] Trae@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago (8 children)

She was 100% on board with them regulating reproductive care because it has never personally affected her as a biological male.

She only has an issue now that her favorite team turned on her after telling her for the last 30 years that she's next.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (57 children)

Assigned male at birth is the term you want to use. "Biological male" is a term used by transphobes to spread misinformation.

Biology is very complex and not your elementary school version of biology. What makes someone "biologically" male? Is it having a penis, having testis, having more testosterone than estrogen, having XY chromosomes? These can all be intermixed with other characteristics.

The "basic biology" definition doesn't work in the real world, and the people using it are actively trying to harm trans people or ignorant. Now you're more informed so ignorance isn't an excuse anymore.

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[–] SpitSalute@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

We as leftists, must organize in ways that match the fascists. Subversion of their goals is our goal. The class and culture war is in full effect and we must not be complacent.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 102 points 6 days ago (13 children)

I do not blame any woman or queer person arming themselves in the U.S. right now. But I think that you should think of it as personal protection rather than preparation for something larger.

Be aware of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

The Jews of Germany constituted less than 1 percent of the country's population. It is preposterous to argue that the possession of firearms would have enabled them to mount resistance against a systematic program of persecution implemented by a modern bureaucracy, enforced by a well-armed police state, and either supported or tolerated by the majority of the German population. Mr. Carson's suggestion that ordinary Germans, had they had guns, would have risked their lives in armed resistance against the regime simply does not comport with the regrettable historical reality of a regime that was quite popular at home. Inside Germany, only the army possessed the physical force necessary for defying or overthrowing the Nazis, but the generals had thrown in their lot with Hitler early on.

Obviously, women and queer people are a lot more than 1% of the population, but you can't count on every queer person being on the right side and you certainly can't count on every woman to be on the right side.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (46 children)

The second amendment was not made for personal protection

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 5 days ago (6 children)

It was also opposed by George Washington on the argument that "A bunch of farmers with guns will never defeat a trained army." He basically did exactly that, but it took the support of one of the world's largest super powers at the time in order to do it - France.

Not to say don't arm yourself. I plan on doing exactly that myself. But don't expect to be overthrowing the dictatorship to come. There are no resistance groups being armed by the EU here.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 23 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Washington was talking about the militias that were present in the early parts of the war that were under trained and undisciplined. The red coats took them easily and they fled often so the continental congress started the continental army lead by Washington, which was a trained and disciplined army in the style of European standing armies, which was able to take on and even defeat the British occasionally.

After the war the ruling elite still had this idealized vision of citizen militias protecting the liberty of white man and saw it as a less tyrannical, and cheaper model then the European professional standing army and made the second amendment to encourage it. Washington was saying that that system failed and will never work and that we should have a trained army ready to take on European powers if they come back.

Now we have the worst of both worlds, a massive army that gobbles up tax dollars and a bunch of untrained citizens with guns who barely understand what a militia is much less can protect the liberty of the nation.

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[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I have a conundrum, maybe people in this thread can weigh in.

I'm a woman living in an area with a small but loud MAGA faction and useless police who are probably also Trump supporters. I'm also not white.

Hunting is common here, and although I've never been I do know how to shoot and have access to classes if I want to improve. We also have friends and family with firearms and a couple of them live nearby.

I feel like I should get a gun. I know how to use one and I want to be able to protect myself if necessary. But I'm scared of firearms. Something about them disturbs me. Maybe it's the likelihood of someone dying once a gun comes out. Maybe it's just a fear, however unfounded, that I can't or shouldn't handle such a powerful tool. But the reason behind the feeling doesn't matter so much as my ability to overcome it, and I'm not sure I can. If I had money to burn I'd buy one just to see how I feel, but I don't so I can't.

In short, I'm torn. I want to be able to just get a gun for peace of mind and call it a day, but I fear that as soon as the gun is in my house I will become a nervous wreck and that will defeat the whole purpose.

I'd love to hear from anyone who feels the same or has overcome this fear.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Everything you're describing is completely reasonable. For the past decades, left-wing "policy ideas" have floated banning guns or at least some form of gun control. They state statistics, examples from other countries, testimony from gun experts, etc etc all describing how perfectly harmful just owning a gun can be and how unlikely you are to ever run into a situation where a firearm will improve your situation and chances of surviving.

This has been overtaken by the rhetoric of "they're coming for you!^tm^". The exact same playbook that was used by the right-wing. Who wins? The gun manufacturers and war profiteers.

It's amazing to see the collective consciousness just completely glaze over from just a few years ago. If you think you're statistically more likely to be targeted, then it's your right to procure a firearm in the United States and I'll leave it at that. But, if you actually look into it, you'll find you will be put more in danger by having a firearm in the house than not.

You're right about the mental aspect, if you own a firearm and are constantly thinking about it and the threats it can protect you from, you've created your own hellscape that many are already in. It's much safer and better for the community to be involved in your neighbors lives and to form bonds with those close to you in a positive manner. Somehow, everyone's forgotten the examples the rest of the world has set forth and have fallen into Americana again.

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 1 points 28 minutes ago

It's definitely a mind fuck, going from "I support heavy gun control and don't ever want one in my house" to "this might be the single best way to protect myself from violent fascists, should they come after me."

I'm very involved in my community, but I live in a purple county and these days I am also feeling very outnumbered. It's tough to essentially be in a holding pattern waiting for retribution that we've been told to expect.

It's just tough, all around.

[–] mlfh@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 days ago

Training and familiarization helped me a lot with that exact feeling. I had the same feeling about circular/table saws. My dad was a carpenter, and those things freaked me the hell out - one tiny mistake could have devastating consequences, and that was all I could think about when I was around them. But with careful instruction and exposure, learing to use and be more comfortable with them, that feeling was gradually replaced by calm and confidence, and they changed in my mind from these objects of terror into valuable tools. There was still fear, but it was a healthy, respectful fear.

I went through the exact same process with guns as well. Some classes with a good instructor, giving you a chance to get more comfortable and familiar before you bring a gun into your home, could help a lot.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 73 points 6 days ago (7 children)

The left needs to get on board with this. Govt isn’t going to protect you from far right militias when the shit hits the fan.

[–] nothing@lemm.ee 23 points 5 days ago

Cops aren't required to protect you from anything. Learn how to protect you and yours. And learn how to read situations, always.

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[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 81 points 6 days ago

With sentiment like "your body, my choice" floating around more and more, I hope that everyone in need will arm themselves accoringly.

Because the guys on the other guys think they are made of steel. Remind them that they have a lot of very vulnerable blood vessels close to the skin and that knifes are as cheap as their lies...

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

Checking 2 boxes out of 4 from the Libertarian dream

[–] Yewb@lemmy.world 55 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Im a liberal guess who now has a gun safe with multiple guns?

I guess we are making America great again by arming the liberals too?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 26 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Also by helping the struggling gun industry

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 64 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Can confirm, my wife has expressed an interest. We're just waiting for the local LGBTQ friendly range to open.

The other local ranges are either run by cops (ACAB) or require NRA memberships to join. Yeah, that's not happening.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago

Sometimes you have to open the gun range you wish to see in your neighborhood.

Or something like that. I think Gandhi said it.

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[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 42 points 5 days ago (8 children)

American ‘solutions’ for American problems

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

At this rate America's 4B movement is gonna stand for "bang bang bang bang"...

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[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 6 days ago

Remember that step 2 is to practice!

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (14 children)

Lol, this thread is a train wreck and is the perfect example of why Republicans keep winning elections despite being on the wrong side of history and having policies that hurt the American population at large.

The left will never win as long as we form circular firing squads and argue over petty bullshit.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

firing squads

You need guns for that.

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[–] tty5@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Nothing gets republicans talking about gun control faster than minorities arming.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Guns!, the cause and solution to most of America's problems.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago

Time to get out of this country.

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