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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 22 points 3 days ago
[–] themaninblack@lemmy.world 83 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

One of the biggest unforced failures of the Biden administration is the reported complaint of Joe Biden that people weren’t acknowledging the economic turnaround.

Biden did a lot of good for the economy! Massive stimulus via the infrastructure bill, a sensible approach to recovery from Covid, acknowledging that recovery from an inflationary period would be necessarily painful, etc. He was a steady hand at a time when America needed one.

But what sends me into apoplexy, what really grinds my gears, is that this motherfucker was so out of touch to believe that this was a messaging problem. He felt that Americans had not yet heard of his accomplishments in turning around the tide of economic misfortune, how badly the republicans would have bungled it, and how the next four years would have been a period of huge growth based on the previous four.

All of these points were absolutely true.

But there is no housing supply. The economic pressures are so hard on young people that their biological impulses are changing.

Young empiricists have taken a look at the climate and have correctly deduced that their future is full of pain in the absence of truly radical action.

And Kamala’s strategy for relieving pressure on the housing market was a $25,000 credit for first time home buyers? In an environment where housing prices have doubled and tripled in fifteen years?

I am one of the very few members of the public that attended Feinstein’s funeral at San Francisco City Hall. And the only one there that day wearing sneakers. I attended her lying in state, paid my respects to a committed civil servant, and in the book, cautioned Pelosi against a similar, “ignominious” end. Then I hear that Pelosi has filed to run again in 2026. As an 86 year old.

At some point the Democratic leadership looks less out of touch and more actively malicious considering the serious and existential crises of the young and near-young in the United States.

The country is in decline because of its extreme individualism, its lack of compassion, and its ruthless “politics is the art of the possible” approach by leaders who could not possibly inspire with bold leadership.

The party is chasing local maxima.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Very well said. I hated Harris' "economic plan." It wasn't going to make a dent. It might get some people in rural passover states afford a home, which is great for them, but would do nothing but maybe raise costs of entry level tiny condos in any city.

But I do think they accomplished a lot in Biden's term. If you compare the US' inflation to other 1st world countries, we recovered far better. We were moving in the right direction. It would have been far worse with Republicans.

And they accomplished all that with a festering rot of DINO obstructionists in the senate, and a republican controlled House. They did an amazing job with the limitations they had.

But they didn't adequately lay the blame in the right hands. They didn't address greedy corporate Housing speculation. They tried and failed to reign in "shrinkflation". And they failed to bring some sanity to the immigrant blaming, and instead somewhat joined in on it.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Harris' solution to the housing problem really annoyed me. There are so many other more effective ways to go about making housing more affordable but she just ignored them. This, in my uneducated opinion, would have also motivated more voters.

In a more general sense, the mainstream Democrats have always had a difficult time with messaging which is nothing new but really showed itself in this past election.

Democrats think that if you just spend time educating the voting population on all the good their policies will do then the voter will make a rational decision in the voting booth. And in the exit polling that is exactly who voted for Harris, highly educated people that like that kind of lecture type of politicking. But most people don't vote like that - they don't want a professor in the oval office they want a cheerleader.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Disagree on only one point: the time for a cheerleader has passed.

The people now want a Teddy Roosevelt progressive. A person who physically kicks asses and legally enforces regulations on the Corporates who are undermining the country's well-being to pad their pockets. A leader who is tough, speaks plainly, and has grit and vision for the conservation of natural resources.

None of these qualities describe any current members of the Democratic party.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

There's a lesson in Teddy though. The industry republicans did their damnedest to sideline him and would've succeeded if McKinley hadn't been shot. They put him in the vice presidency in the first place to get him out of the New York governors house.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago

Yep. Lots of lessons in our historical precedents that Dems pretend don't exist.

Nevertheless, I would 100% vote for Teddy Roosevelt's corpse

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[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And Kamala’s strategy for relieving pressure on the housing market was a $25,000 credit for first time home buyers?

This was also going to be coupled with a large tax credit to construction companies for building single-family homes and another tax credit for selling them to first-time homeowners.

Taken together, that all sounds pretty good. But I think what really needs to change is zoning laws. The problem is that the federal government has no control over the zoning ordinances of local communities. Hell, state governments barely have control over that. Usually whenever a rezoning of a neighborhood is brought up, it causes a firestorm at city council meetings.

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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh. The message I got was that many people today are so immature that they would rather join a collective psychosis than accept their own part in humanity

To be fair, there are multiple lessons to learn from this election cycle.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 37 points 4 days ago

"The DNC hears ya. The DNC don't care."

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

We're gonna just continue to blame the Dems while ignoring that a massive online propaganda campaign brainwashed enough morons into voting again for a convicted felon who tried to steal the last election, and already had a dogshit first term? Even if you "fix" the dems, the propaganda will still paint whoever is representing them as worse than the fascist puppets on the other side, and the masses of dimwits will swallow it while thinking they're enlightened centrists.

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[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The message to ~~Democrats~~ neo-libs and neo-cons, is clear: you must dump ~~neoliberal economics~~ corporatism.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Translation: "Change who you are. Completely, not superficially. Just don't be who you are and have been."

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Which won't happen because that would require them to turn their back on the donor class, corporate media and lobbyists.

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 98 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Democrats: "Understood. We must try harder to win over the center-right."

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

"center right":

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 22 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Honestly, we should have seen it coming with all the "nostalgia" for the Good Old Days of GWB.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 149 points 5 days ago (104 children)

My message to the dnc

Fuck you we elected Bernie and you ran Hillary and then we elected Bernie and you gave us Biden. Fuck you.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 112 points 5 days ago

They knew Bernie might actually improve the lives of Americans and our rich overlords shudder at the thought of that.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 83 points 5 days ago (2 children)

"Nothing will fundamentally change" + "there is not a thing that comes to mind."

Two killer statements.

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[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

As an outsider it seemed more like they had an image problem than an issue with their concrete policies. Obviously it could be both but I got a sense people believed the dems were out of touch.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That is because the democrats have abandoned.the working class and use guilt and loyalty to effectively fool the middle class into policies favoring the wealthy.

Neither party is responsive to the working class because hourly wages are too low vs prices to allow for significant political donations.

So until actrue 3rd party catches the working class and moves american politics leftward, its just fewer and fewer with more and more.

Hence, keep people stupid so they dont figure it out.

[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There were plenty of problems with the concrete policies on offer.

'most lethal military', tough on crime, secure the border.. it was ridiculous to see how far right the supposed left went in search of votes. Harris's platform looked more like Trump's from 2016 than it did Hilary's.

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[–] llama@midwest.social 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A cracked brick wall is more visible than a sinking foundation.

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[–] JokklMaster@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago
[–] takeda@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago (12 children)

This is BS. People saying Kamala was too liberal, or too centrist, she was riding too much on Biden achievements or not enough etc etc.

The real reason for this is that majority of people no longer get their news from MSM, they get their news from social media which are hevily slanted for trump. Not only GOP understands how influential those are, but they are helped with foreign entities who are free to use these media as well.

This also isn't just happening to US but also to Europe.

The fucking solution is to get your family off of Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok etc. it is a cancer and essentially hacks their brain.

You might think that social media is great, because everyone can have a voice. This might be true for sites like Lemmy, but in other places what you post is irrelevant, because their algorithm controls what others see. It is very clever, because they can hide behind freedom of speech to not restrict the sites, while essentially still having full control of what it is shown and zero consequences.

With AI they don't even need people anymore they can generate content themselves and say it is a real user.

Why do you think companies involved in social media are also heavily invested with generative AI?

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If the electorate consisted of 9 people who were doing fine, and one person that wasn't, we would have 9 no votes and one person that voted to destroy the system that allowed the 9 to be doing fine.

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[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 50 points 5 days ago (14 children)

But who will pay for our campaigns if we don't lick the boot of oligarchs?

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[–] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 40 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Simpson's Skinner meme, "no, it's the voters that are wrong"

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[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 21 points 4 days ago (28 children)
[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 days ago (4 children)

For some people FDR is the closest thing they can imagine to be progressive politics. The progressive-conservative switch in the Republican and Democratic Parties always makes for weird statements. You've got neo-nazis and neo-confederates controlling the Republican Party and Republicans say they are the party of Lincoln.

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