GOP will bitch ofc... but really they just wanted another hillaries emails to fill empty spots in the news cycle so their bullshit would get overshadowed. Biden stopped that shit.
That said, where was this norm defying stuff the past 4 years?
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Is this "global news"?
America is on the globe, last time I checked
Good. Republicans don't play by the rules. Democrats shouldn't either.
P.S Biden is still a pussy for not having the entire supreme court thrown into jail for "national security" reasons.
When no one plays by the rules anymore, and people on both sides accept that, your democracy is dead and buried.
Hot tip. Our democracy is already dead and buried.
Why is that onus is on the Democrats only? What did they achieve by taking the high road all this time?
What did this achieve? You're cheering for nothing.
What did this achieve?
Peace for someone unfairly hounded?
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Republicans lie and cheat to advance their agenda, I'm glad Joe finally bent some rules to accomplish nothing for Americans.
Implying republicans bend rules to accomplish something for Americans...
am I?
I'm saying they're accomplishing long term gains towards their objectives.
The wording didn't reflect that so I was teasing. Should I have added a :P?
Ah, man. Great job putting my feelings into words.
The new Presidency will absolutely spin and use this event.
No need to spin. I think we can all agree that pardoning Hunter after saying for years that he wouldn't is bad.
I don't blame him because....fuck it, the system's broken anyway...but I'm not gonna pretend like I support it
They will spin it regardless:-P.
Not everyone seems to be agreeing that this is bad.
Yes the system is broken but the optics here look REALLY bad.
I liken it to what happened to the post office: first they shoot it in the leg, then blame it for being slow, then move to kill it off, citing how poor its performance is and thus deserving of blame and yeah sure "that" is why it must be killed off.
Now they have that much more support to kill off the DOJ - b/c despite how the President can do whatever he wants, now the previous President also did whatever he wants too (not really but again, optics, especially to those who will refuse to dig deeper into learning about something, even prior to showing up with a gun to help "defend democracy").
Yes the system is broken but the optics here look REALLY bad.
I'd say this is far worse:
Ofc, but that's more evidence of Trump doing whatever - whereas now they have something to point to in order to claim "bOtH siDeS", which even if only 5% true / 95% false, can nonetheless work on a centrist who isn't paying attention. And since the popular vote means nothing and those people control the entire outcome of every election, that could end up being highly impactful, e.g. in an upcoming House or Senate race where it might flip a seat towards Republicans that would otherwise have gone to Democrats.
So Biden should've let his son get dragged through the mud? What for? Principles? Americans have shown they don't value any principles by voting for a rapist, fascist, con man. The least Biden could do was to keep his family safe.
Oh I thought you were asking what I meant. "The new Presidency will absolutely spin and use this event." and then "Yes the system is broken but the optics here look REALLY bad."
The reasoning doesn't even matter anymore, bc it's already done. I was talking about the fall-out. Centrists who aren't paying attention won't care about reasons anyway.
But if you want to get into it, it sounds like it would be a cost-to-benefit trade-off, e.g. if 16 months in minimum security prison, maybe able to just do a house arrest situation (didn't they do that for Roger Stone?), then that's one thing. As people are saying here elsewhere in the comments, "hunter filled out a form wrong" - which sounds like the penalty for that would be super low? But perhaps I'm missing something.
And some people consider principles to be quite important. Arguably it was the lack of enticement to vote Democrat that led to Trump winning the Presidency even?
Though anyway, I'm not trying to "both sides" this - I consider the matter already settled and done, and again was talking purely about the fall-out i.e. what happens next?
The way it looks looks bad?
Your country is fucked.
I think he was going to do that regardless and come up with a bullshit excuse. Now he doesn't need a bullshit excuse and he's still going to do it. Big deal.
I mean, it'll make it harder / less likely for people to oppose things. Unless I'm still way too naive even after this last term. I'm still way too naive even after this last term aren't I!?:-(
On a more personal level, I think any parent would've given that pardon if they felt their child was targeted for their political career. I think he would've always regretted not putting his pride aside. On a political level, holy shit. Brace yourselves, folks, and take lots of notes.
We might be past the point where notes, or facts, help rather than hinder anymore:-(.
Oh, take notes for the history books is what I meant.
To do the things they would have done anyway. This is what we chose for ourselves.
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Ya, next thing you know they'll pardon Charles Kushner and make him ambasssador.
https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/presidential-pardons-explained
Tried to educate myself on what the pardon consists of (why?)...and found that there is no real separation between the executive branch and the judicial branch, because prosecution is up to the executive branch and the president can pardon whomever e.g.
For instance, George Washington pardoned participants in the Whisky Rebellion, in part because they enjoyed considerable popular support.
Meaning, you are above the law if you are popular enough: i.e. president, their friend, their agent or even just his rioter. Good thing the opposition to trump is popular too, right?
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