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[–] RedStrider@lemmy.world 191 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] ILikePigeons@lemmy.ml 100 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That is actually just disgusting.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago

Straight outta the scummy debt collector playbook

[–] drmoodmood@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What in the actual removed?

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Brother, you're gonna need to find a new instance if you wanna use bad words. Your comments get censored on .ml

[–] Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Wait is that real? The word got automatically censored by something? wtf XD

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[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 179 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So, how much is Funko or their "partner" going to willingly pay Itch for their lost income? Or is there going to have to be a lawsuit?

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 70 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Itch doesn't appear interested in suing unfortunately. I want them to, not because I'm bloodthirsty, but to set precedent that this wreckless use of AI content moderation isn't OK. I can imagine Disney and Nintendo following this.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

I mean... a little bloodthirst is okay.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I don't know itch's daily profit, but I doubt a half day's will be enough to warrant a suit.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 61 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My worry is that without a lawsuit or other action, we'll keep seeing LLM slop companies taking down smaller websites for bogus reasons. This needs to be codified somehow that there were damages done to Itch's earnings (and more importantly the earnings of the independent creators on the platform who should start a class-action suit), and that what Funko's contracted LLM company did was wrong.

There's financial damages, loss of profit, emotional distress, reputation loss, and more. We need to take action against these companies for their wrongdoing. So either they need to willingly pay up and have that payment be known and public, or they need to be made to pay by the courts.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don’t worry false positives and AI go together like oil and fire.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes, which is why we should make every one of those false positives cost an arm and a leg to the perpetrators.

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[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Itch is by no means a small time player. Doing some very fast statistics off of the game price breakdowns available and the counts of games available vs. the number they rate as best sellers, if 20% of their best sellers make a sale each day and 7.5% of their non-best sellers make a sale each day, assuming an average price for the three pricing filters of (under $5, $2.5), ($5 to $15, $10), (over $15, $20), then Itch sells approximately $20k/day. Half a day is $10k. If those averages are actually much higher in their respective areas, as in just below the maximum then the daily total jumps to over $35k/day. There is wiggle room in my assumptions, but it is safe to say that Itch sees about $25k±7k/day.

As mentioned in other suits, there are nonmonetary damages as well which are harder to quantify without access to their analytics such as reputation damage, lost traffic, maintenance and repair from the forced outage at the domain level, etc. I could see a suit for $50k in actual damages and another $500k-$1M in punitive damages to send the message that this behavior is intolerable in general.

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

A law firm capable of handling such a suit would probably bill at a rate of $2000/hr, or more.

If your numbers are right, then they could afford to pay for 20 hours of work. That's probably not enough to even file the suit. Again, this assumes your numbers are right but even if they were 10x this it may still not make sense to file a suit.

Unfortunately, I don't think the math works out in their favor.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 133 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Either Funko is lying or their "brand protection partner" is lying. Also, what the fuck does Funko have to protect? The only thing they actually created was those beady little eyes they put on everyone else's IP.

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[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 100 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Funko and their "partner" should be fined for fraud.

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world 83 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Funko should shut down out of embarrassment. Not about this specifically, just because of their entire product line

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[–] pacology@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“We reached out to itch.io” aka we called his mom.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If my kid is running a website and some fucking lawyer calls me about copyright bullshit, that fucker is getting 100% of my pent up salty rage.

I have a very particular set of skills, and they only make me a nightmare for a very specific type of situation.

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Apparently I've just shared in Funko Pop's passion for creativity.

Is this a different language that sounds deceptively like English? I feel like someone wrote this by running whale song through an LLM.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Funko: Hey, chatgpt... Write an apology letter to the gaming community about getting itch.io shut down. Something like "Sorry, we fucked up. Please don't hate us and continue to buy our stuff!" but make it sound like it came from an intern in HR.

Chatgpt: I got you fam...

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Bro, GhatGPT wrote a better apology:

Dear Community,

Look, we know we sell little plastic figures—not games, not platforms, not anything remotely digital—but somehow, we’ve managed to trip over our own shoelaces and knock something precious to all of you right off the shelf. Yes, we’re talking about itch.io, and yes, we understand the gravity of what happened.

We’re not going to sugarcoat it: we messed up. We’re not entirely sure how the dominoes fell this way, but somehow, through a series of unfortunate events (and probably some poorly-thought-out legal maneuvers), our actions have impacted an entire community that thrives on creativity and passion. That was never our intention, and it’s not who we want to be.

The truth is, we’re sitting here staring at our little figures, wondering how something so small can lead to such a big screw-up. We know this affects you, and we’re genuinely sorry for the frustration, confusion, and anger we’ve caused.

We don’t expect forgiveness overnight, but please know we’re working hard to make this right. We’re talking to the people who actually know what they’re doing (because, let’s face it, we clearly don’t), and we’re committed to doing better moving forward.

We value this community more than you realize, even if we’ve done a poor job of showing it. Thank you for your patience, and we hope you’ll give us the chance to earn back your trust—not just with our figures, but with our actions.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's good, but it's too negative. The PR folks would never let it fly.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Exactly, they're apologizing, not committing seppuku.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Your assumptions are too honest. Try "non-apology" and see if it is closer.

edit: I took the above prompt but added "do not admit to any wrongdoing", and got a more believable letter

Subject: A Message to Our Gaming Community

Dear Gamers,

We wanted to take a moment to address recent events and share our heartfelt thoughts with you. We understand that some of our actions may have had an impact on platforms you value deeply, and we recognize the passion and creativity that make this community so extraordinary.

While it’s not our place to dive into specifics, we want to assure you that your voices matter to us. As a company, we’re constantly learning and striving to support the vibrant ecosystems that make gaming so special.

To those who may feel disappointed or frustrated, we hear you. Your passion is why we do what we do, and we remain committed to delivering the experiences you love.

Thank you for sticking with us and for continuing to be part of this journey. We appreciate your feedback, your creativity, and your unwavering support as we work to do better.

Sincerely,
[Your Company]
An Intern in HR Who Definitely Wrote This Alone

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[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago

We reached out the admin of Itch.io's mother and made threats against her.

That's the real situation.

Funko is a corrupt, evil company.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The sad thing I cant do anything more to hurt funko as I've never bought their stupid little dolls

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Makes me wonder if the report was for something like itch.io/blah but it took the whole site down. If they're not being dishonest, I could see going to registrar about a site imitating to be yours for phishing.

Funko still deserves some flak for, at least, using an automated tool (or a setting) that is so insanely aggressive. Maybe the registrar holds some blame too.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

At united health care we really respect all the money we extract from all your dying folks and recently we noticed that one of you died one of us. So we started a manhunt for anyone of you and now we got a rando who sort of looks the part. Thank you for the inconvenience. We will be ghosts now since you won't find any of our names online starting now...wait not, starting now!

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