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there’s more than shown here and it’s more than just these users too 😭

if you find the thread don’t piss in the popcorn (brigade) but also please maybe don’t bring it back here i don’t want 400 notifications of entry level β€œis almond milk milk” vegan discourse

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (77 children)

Transcribing the conversation here:

Recessa, ↑4 ↓1: That's completely idiotic, milk exist because there's demand for it.

commie, ↑1 ↓4: I think you understand that milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and it's production?

friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓2: Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?

commie, ↑1 ↓3: do you think there's a direct causal link between drinking milk and more being produced?

friendlymessage, ↑3: Are you fucking with me?

commie, ↑2 ↓3: no. I'm trying to illustrate that markets are not governed by natural law; they are populated by irrational actors.

friendlymessage, ↑2 ↓1: Yeah, but they're not as irrational as you are and producing milk costs money. If there's no market, they will stop because they are not fuckin lunatics and they don't have infinite resources

commie, ↑2 ↓2: milk was farmed before markets existed. there is no reason to believe that will ever stop.

friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓1: That... must be the dumbest discussion I've had in a while. Please read through your comments tomorrow when you're sober

commie, ↑1 ↓1: I've been sober all day.

friendlymessage, ↑1: Okay, whatever you say

commie, ↑1 ↓2: everything I've said is true. you're objecting to reality, and being pretty shitty about it to me.

friendlymessage, ↑2: No, you're just making a no sensical argument at all. Milk was farmed from dairy cattle because it was consumed by humans. It's simple supply and demand. There is no rational argument at all that if mankind stopped consuming milk, it would still be farmed. Why would any farmer go through the effort to upkeep cows and keep them impregnanted to make them produce milk if they cannot trade it or won't consume it? Yes, humans have free will but they won't produce stuff with very high effort just for fun. Except maybe very sick minds that just enjoy animal cruelty. And you won't elaborate what your actual point is anyway.

Also, not that it matters, but you're arguing that dairy farming existed before the market is simply wrong. There has been trade between human civilizations long before we started domesticating animals.

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[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

this is 1/100th of the insanity that happened on the reddit sub r/milk
I'm pretty sure there was a riot because the mods said almond milk was allowed or something like that

I love drinking almond milk right from the almond nipple

[–] socsa@piefed.social 13 points 2 days ago (5 children)

You: hates milke because it is unethical

Me: hates milk because it is fucking disgusting.

We are not the same

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[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 75 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (52 children)

Ah yeah, I've had an interaction with that anti-vegan user before, and let me tell ya, if you want to speedrun vegan bingo... ideal discussion partner right there.

[–] nl4real@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The "Vegans are loud and annoying" crowd are more loud and annoying than actual vegans in my personal experience.

[–] Moc@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Often when society had an extreme default position on a topic, its defenders sound batshit insane.

See:

  • Gay and trans rights
  • Reproductive rights
  • Veganism
  • Unregulated capitalism
  • Homelessness
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[–] banana_lama@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

I would just like to bring up that most equestrians don't farm their horses milk. Without demand it would probably be similar

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