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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
So by saying terror, they admit that there is something to be fixed by policy of a government
Terror?
Come the fuck on, ~~Feds~~ New York. Absolutely fucking not. This sparked joy, not terror, in the populace. This was, to be quite frank, the exact opposite of terrorism.
It sparked terror in the people that actually matter, the ruling class.
This is like saying a wife killing their abusive husband is an act of terror. Clearly she's saying she's not taking the abuse anymore and any man or woman that treats her so poorly would meet a similar end. The perp that killed UnitedHealthcare's CEO and those cheering him on are saying the same thing -- enough abuse. We're all terrorists because we want CEOs that do real harm to their customers to be held accountable? The current system is completely ill-equipped to even do so much as shame these abusers (i.e. libel and slander laws).
This is the best argument against the terrorism charges. Should we have a fucking parade to show how NOT terrorized we feel?
It's not the Feds, it's the state of New York.
Storming the capital or shooting dozens of children are not terrorism, but shooting a CEO who murders thousands is. Got it.
They're clearly trying to send a message to scare his supporters
They’re clearly trying to send a message to scare his supporters
Yes, they are. By charging him as a terrorist, they are saying that anyone who supports him is supporting terrorism. I'm sure that someone somewhere is making very long lists of names of social media posters and people who donated to his legal defense.
Self defence, not guilty
Nullify the jury. A man can break the letter and spirit of the law if the jury decides he should not be punished for it.
Justifiable homicide.
Nah. I have an out. Insurance CEOs simply aren't human. The charge should be animal cruelty at the worst. Luigi should get the same criminal penalty as someone would get for stepping on a cockroach. Murder requires the thing you're destroying to actually be a human being.
That reminds me that you should never make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison
Well… guess the family won’t get life insurance now that it’s called a terrorist attack 🤣
"One Man’s Terrorist is Another Man’s Freedom Fighter"
"The act must be committed with the intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."
These CEOs are quite literally trying to kill us for profit. This is class warfare, and they are the aggressor. They are not civilians, and the terror is not directed at the population or the government.
In fairness, I think you could argue the second half. But I would have to read the manifesto to see if he actualy intended that, or if it is just the rest of us who wish he had..
Whatever. United Healthcare should be next for the countless murders they've done.
So the jury has their out now, jury nullification on the grounds of the act not being terrorism
Jury nullification does not require "grounds". Jury nullification is a result of the jury's verdict being final regardless of the details of the trial. It's also an effect of the fact that you cannot be tried twice for the same crime. The jury is not required to form a verdict strictly on the basis of the trial. The may find the defendant not guilty regardless of actual guilt.
nope. not that one.
there's two charges, only one with 'terrorism' attached.
Terrorism to bring this to first-degree is very much a stretch in my eyes. The poor civilian CEO population are spooked by one person getting shot.
The second part of the statue, to cause government action, does seem kind of appropriate. But I highly doubt he thought he could pull that off and it's going to take a lot more 2nd player characters to get there.
It makes it harder to prosecute, at least?
They aren't dropping the second degree murder charge, so they don't necessarily have to meet the higher bar that this sets.
That said, while they probably want to be able to paint him as a terrorist, that necessarily involves a more detailed look at what he was trying to accomplish, and that might just backfire on the prosecution. It only takes one sympathetic juror to block a guilty verdict.
Post bills every-fucking-where about Jury Nullification.
"The act must be committed with the intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."
I have no issue with the state correctly identifying this act as terrorism. I take great issue with the fact that this act is being defined as terrorism, while using a definition that clearly defines many things that get a pass as terrorism. Remember last Trump presidency, when his white house published an old-school violent videogames scare video to garner support for his policies while distracting from discussion on gun laws? An act committed with the intent to coerce a civilian population is terrorism.
And let's be real, I picked a low-stakes, innoculous example just to make a point: the state does a LOT to terrorize it's citizens. But when they do it, it's "law and order." When Luigi fights back in self defense? "Terrorism".
The act must be committed with the intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion
No, see, that's clearly false. The civilian population did not get intimidated or coerced by fuck and all, and the government wasn't threatened.
So, nope. Not guilty.
New Yorkers and Pennsylvania residents need to show up to their jury duty summons and get your ass on a trial... You never know whose trial you'll end up on. Don't say nullification during the interview!
This guy is going to get a standing ovation when he enters the courtroom.
Hopefully not from the jury box. They better play their cards close to the chest.