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No state has a longer, more profit-driven history of contracting prisoners out to private companies than Alabama. With a sprawling labor system that dates back more than 150 years — including the brutal convict leasing era that replaced slavery — it has constructed a template for the commercialization of mass incarceration.

Most jobs are inside facilities, where the state’s inmates — who are disproportionately Black — can be sentenced to hard labor and forced to work for free doing everything from mopping floors to laundry. But more than 10,000 inmates have logged a combined 17 million work hours outside Alabama’s prison walls since 2018, for entities like city and county governments and businesses that range from major car-part manufacturers and meat-processing plants to distribution centers for major retailers like Walmart, the AP determined.

https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-alabama-3b2c7e414c681ba545dc1d0ad30bfaf5

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 189 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

It's legal per the 13th Amendment.

Doesn't make it right, and it says a lot about how little both parties value human rights that it's allowed to stand.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 74 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, that's nothing. Ever wonder who tough on crime legislation actually benefits, and who's lobbying for it?

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah it was written that way in order to have slaves with extra steps

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 161 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

Yes, convict leasing was designed to be a direct replacement for slavery. It was used that way right after slavery ended when you could arrest a black person for anything you could think of. No job? Arrested, leased. No home? Arrested, leased. Etc....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_leasing

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 80 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

So slavey never ended! Cool cool. Totally not a corporate dictatorship masquerading as a democracy...

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

the laws never pretended it ended. the thirteenth ammendment very plainly allows it:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

emphasis mine. it never said you can't have slavery any more, it just said if you're gonna do slavery you have to convict someone first.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s how propagandized Americans are. lmfao They act as if this is some shadowy hidden part of our culture

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

It's not like you'd expect people to be closely acquainted with an obscure legal document like the constitution.

Oh, wait...

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[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup, it never ended, it just rebranded
I believe it's called neoslavery, I think the last privately (legally) owned slave was released in 1946 if i recall correctly, now the only legal slavery is prisons

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[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

Dylan roof got Burger King and Luigi is facing terrorism charges and the death penalty.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 99 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (19 children)

Yep. And it’s perfectly legal, because the US never banned slavery.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

I think we’re one of the only countries in the world who still has legal slavery. Pretty awful.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Anytime you see one of those “silly laws” - stuff about not being able to ride a horse on Sunday or whatever - that’s why. “Vagrancy” laws were basically put in place to funnel black men into legal enslavement.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 17 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Why do they call it "land of the free" again?

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Cognitive dissonance. Discrimination is illegal, so obviously anyone who experiences it is crazy or lying. Clearly, they should have just followed the law against selling loose cigarettes if they didn’t want to die.

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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

For the same reason narcissists like to say they're the best.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

There are a few sharia lands and a bunch of not-yet-sharia lands with like half the population dreaming of it.

Taken together - a huge chunk of the globe.

There are also a few countries where the Western concept of slavery wouldn't work, but with pretty feudal-despotic cultural legacy, like, ahem, Japan and Thailand and what not, which may have something similar to slavery again in future.

So I wouldn't say USA is that different.

And in Russia there are whole small towns functional because of prison colony facilities there where prisoners work.

Still, prisoners working for private companies with prisons collecting their wages, - seems kinda uncomfortably close. Because, yes, if they are safe enough to be let out into society, they are safe enough to not be prisoners.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 82 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"dates back more than 150 years"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Interesting timeframe

[–] Forester@yiffit.net 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Meet the new boss. 🎵

Same as the old boss🎵

[–] beliquititious@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Literally in some cases recently freed slaves were arrested for being black and leased back to the same locations where they were enslaved to the same people.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That’s where our tireless and dedicated police force got started, the racism hasn’t gone anywhere they just have better toys now

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Last year I have been learning we are doing everything from the slavery era. It only got renamed.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

It had a PR campaign, but it's still here. That 13th amendment needs to be amended anew

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 44 points 3 weeks ago

America calling slavery slavery challenge impossible!

[–] ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago

And you know that small businesses and independent establishments aren't seeing one minute of that free prison labor under their roof. It's all going to large companies with connections to government.

I'm not arguing that either should benefit from effective slave labor, but the fact that the biggest players get this insane advantage just rubs extra salt in the wound.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 37 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Oh this is delicious. Keep in mind they hate abortion and hate sexual education. It's not a conspiracy any more. They want the poor to be uneducated and reproductive to have a jailed bottom slave minority.

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can hate other empires as well, and I do, but the US has the largest prison population on Earth, and that isn't even per capita. 2 million prisoners. We should all be ashamed of that.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure you can say it's the largest prison system in history. This documentary from 2015 is named that: https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/biggest-prison-system-history/

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Wait, could I move to the US and rent a sexy inmate for my mansion? To parade in front of my geek friends? And play video games with?

(I mean I'd cruelly punish him of course, being in the US, like I wouldn't put any toppings on his ice cream, or something unusually painful, or whatever the law says you have to do).

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[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 weeks ago

If you don't want slavery, then make it illegal. Maybe even make a constitutional amendment.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is how states fight wildfires

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

And then they don't qualify to work as firefighters after they are released.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

please be satire, please be satire, please be satire

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm sorry to say the Prison-Industrial Complex is a huge problem, and part of why this country has some of the highest incarceration rates in the world 🙁

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But Soviet Union had a gulag system... Totally different!

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[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You must not be American - the thirteenth amendment codifies slavery and involuntary servitude into the constitution.

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[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"Work makes free", was written on the german concentration camps entries.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 16 points 3 weeks ago

"Safe enough to work" bruh half of them are probably there for parole violations for petty crimes 9 years ago

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[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Really de-incentivises paroling inmates when they're a source of revenue...

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