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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago

I did nazi that coming

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The president is a Nazi. My grandpa would be rolling in his grave.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 37 points 1 week ago

My grandpa should be rolling in his recliner. Instead he's got fox news on all day.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The sad thing is that your grandfathers were sent to fight and die in Europe only when it hurt America's economic interests.

This isn't a knock on your grandfather's legacy.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Why is this man being downvoted? He's correct. That is the historical reason America got involved.

There were tens of millions of Americans that supported the Germans/Nazi party, and the rest basically didn't want to get involved on the world stage again.

The real evils of the Nazi regime weren't realized until the last year or so of the war when we pushed in through the incursion areas and saw the camps and horrid treatment/deaths of the "undesirables". Then it became a true moral outrage that brokered no dissension. Until then, it was because we had 4billion+ in loans to Germany they were repaying us after our costs for WW1, among other financial incentives.

Claiming otherwise is whitewashing history.

America has never been a particularly great country. Don't let the school propaganda fool you. We've done things nearly as bad, and in some cases worse, than the Nazi party in our past. But nobody started a world war about it because we kept it within our borders (e.g. the Native American genocide, slavery, etc.).

I think the individual people who went to war from America in WW2 were doing the right thing, and believed in it for the right reasons. But the people at the top pulling the strings? Financial justifications all the way down.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 6 points 1 week ago

Hitler literally modelled his policies after the American ones, but it's easier to talk about an absolute evil that sprouted out of nowhere.

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 71 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Shocking.

Remember when he used to say he was a socialist? And literal morons believed him? It might have been when I realized how stupid and easily swayed most of the population is with obvious and blatant propaganda.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He also said he was a "free speech absolutist." Then he banned the guy who showed the publicly available info about the location of Elon's private plane. Then he banned the reporters who reported on that.

And that's how he started down the road to Twitter as it is now.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's even more tame, currently he was banning MAGA people for not agreeing with his stance on H1B.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Yep, he's gotten more and more ban-happy over time.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I still think he got the word "absolutist" mixed up with "abolitionist".

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago

He is a socialist! He supports the National Socialist German Workers Party!

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[–] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm exhausted from all of this and it's not even January. How have we reached a point where Nazism is back in vogue?

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

And those who do get to watch dolefully.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The story of the 21st century has been the repeated and ongoing failure of the western political class.

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[–] psud@aussie.zone 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I wonder if Musk's heavy right wing position is one of:

  • just him trying to sell more cars (to people who subscribe to right wing positions, as well as left wing people buying them for environmental reasons)
  • fun, seeing how much he personally can fuck things up
  • because Heinlein said in several books that authoritarianism is good for business
[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

He gathered the wealth and realized his life is empty and people still cringed when he walked in a room and left in disgust when he spoke. In general, folks on the left, who were more associated with tech until recently, are typically more educated and don't blindly cheer at catch phrases and bumper stickers without any depth in their support - The right wing does.

elon wants friends and a dad who will love him, the right wing will pretend as long as the money flows.

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[–] hernanca@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's really just that brain damaged. A couple of weeks ago I read a book about his takeover of Twitter and even his day-to-day behaviors are completely unhinged. He is surrounded by sycophants and weirdos and has lost touch with reality years ago.

The book is "Character Limit" by Conger and Mac.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I wanted to read that book, so is it worth? Do you recommend it?

[–] hernanca@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it's really great journalistic work. The authors talked to a lot of people to get their side of what happened.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Corporations are often the most authoritarian structures on the earth. We just tolerate them for dumb reasons (being told there's no alternative to capitalism).

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

While those might be reasons, he has claimed its because of his trans daughter. It's a pretty disgusting stance.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/aug/09/elon-musks-journey-from-humanitarian-to-poster-of-rightwing-memes

Emphasis mine below

According to his biographer, Walter Isaacson, around this period Musk began sending “rightwing memes and conspiracy theories” to Grimes, who replied: “Is this from 4chan or something? You’re actually starting to sound like someone from the far right.”

At the same time, his daughter Vivian came out as transgender and changed her name, declaring that she no longer wanted to “be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form”.

Musk himself has cited Vivian as a reason for his political shift, telling the pop psychologist Jordan Peterson that he had “lost [his] son [sic], essentially”, and concluding that his son “is dead, killed by the woke mind virus”.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 9 points 1 week ago

I was in the market for a new car. And Tesla was not even on my long list of cars to consider, precisely because of Herr Sturmbahnführer Musk.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Tesla sales is down in Europe precisely because of Musk while competitors thrived.

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[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

I won't be happy until every article headline written about space Karen refers to him as Adrian Dittmann.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago

I am doubling down on my dislike for this NAZI.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

The free world is being torn to peices by the Russian Mafia and its American Oligarch allies.

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Nazi apartheid baby

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Remember when Kanye "went away" after pro-Hitler comments?

Let's see if Musky goes all the way.

Edit: a ? mark

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm not optimistic enough to count on it, but upcoming events might just show a lot of white rural voters that across the board the leaders of these racist movements mostly aren't even really racist, it's mostly a grift for profit/power and they're just exploiting the poor's ignorance

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd love to have your optimism.

There have been multiple investigations into finances and employees of high ranking party officials linking them to foreign influence. Changes in popularity? Niet.

It's the same as with Trump: "Yes, he us a crook, but he is MY crook"!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A lot of it is definitely racism with Trump. Can't have possibly voted for the black woman...

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Hey, they didn't vote for the white woman either!

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

Look, if you're "not racist" but are willing to allow or use racism as a means to an end, you're actually pretty frickin' racist.

All the same harm is done.

"But I don't believe it in my heart!"

Wonderful. Do something that mitigates all the harm you're causing if not improve the lives of the people who are being harmed.

Can't do that because it would undermine your process? Time to accept it. You're a racist.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Fascists gonna fash.

[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago

This article is still about the recent Welt op-ed. Just so nobody gets the impression, that Elon did something else yesterday.

Not that any of this excuses the opinions he shared with the world already.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The AfD ist a spark of hope for him, as they want to leave the EU so one less country he doesn't have to worry about EU rules and regulations.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And Germany is the most influential and richest EU country at the moment, so the loss of Germany will be a heavy blow for the EU.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's not going to be a heavy blow, it's going to be disastrous. Not only because of the economy, but the infrastructure the country provides. A massive amount of goods is transported through germany on rails and on streets. If we have to start controlling borders and charging money (which is what will happen), it would hurt the entire european union. Now, if italy with it's rightoid government is having the same idea and leaves the EU (because that's kinda what rightoids do these days), europe is literally halved in the middle.

Idk why people think leaving the EU is going to solve our problems, it's going to literally fuck us in the ass. We can even see what happened with a country that left the EU not even 10 years ago.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah the U.K is currently an Exhibit A for "See why this was a terrible idea?!"

It's amazing how these people repeatedly bark for their billionaire masters thinking one day they'll be worthy of scraps.

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[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 14 points 1 week ago

It's kinda hard to dispel the richest man in the words narrative when he also owns a major social network

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Are they aware he only supports xenophobia with regard to blue collar immigrants?

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I hope we collectively realize, to a point of action, that this is Hitler but also the richest person in the world with fans everywhere for multiple reasons before we instead have to document further atrocities.

Edit: And him and his presidential bitch are juvenile with at least one with intelligence to match.

[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Extremist's gonna extreme.

[–] aggelalex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

American spotted. Opinion rejected.

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