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Not my title! I do think we are being listened to. And location tracked. And it's being passed on to advertisers. Is it apple though? Probably not is my take away from this article, but I don't trust plenty of others, and apple still does

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[–] serenissi@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's well possible and previously tv mic had been used as bugging device. The problem is, way too many security researchers look in system level software of iOS and even other components of the device that such practice will be too risky for apple (same applies for mainstream android products). Also processing realtime audio, finding potentially unrealiable topic from it and doing realtime ad is actually too much work as of today's tech (might change sooner than you think though).

What, I think, is more practical is to use the whole query after the wake word to show ad, and potentially use other app tracking data, which is way much reliable than voice for targeting purpose. Voice data is useful for bugging purpose, primarily (ab)used by nation states and LE.

I bet in the medical procedure case mentioned in the blog the user searched/talked about that in other apps and average people aren't good to notice these privacy leaks.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I've always theorized that it should be possible to have multiple wake words with different functions, some invisible to the user.

It has to be "always listening" for the wake word to function at all, so it clearly is doing that, what's to stop them from having another wake word like "bomb" which it then starts recording and sends to the NSA for instance, or even "clip the last 30 seconds" like an xbox could be feasible. Or even have corporations pay to get on the "list" of secret trigger words, like Toyota pays and it hears "Toyota" or "new car" and starts serving ads for 2026 Celicas (I wish lol). It doesn't even have to send much data back for that, just "ohp, said word, check box to join 'toyota' ad group."

I'm not saying they do that, but like, it sounds totally easily possible and I can't be the first person that had this idea, why wouldn't they?

[–] serenissi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Don't give them idea :)

Yes that's indeed a possibility.

[–] Flipper@feddit.org 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

too much work for today's tech

All the assistants listen all the time for their codeword. The new pixel phone show you a list of songs played around them and more. It is already happening all the time in the background.

[–] serenissi@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

That's done locally. You can try training wake word models for any open assistant and see how much computing power it needs for even simple phrase.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

ITT:

People saying “They already use every other bit of data they can access, why do you naive optimists think they wouldn’t use the most obvious one?”

vs.

People saying “They already use every other bit of data they can access, why do you naive optimists think they would need to use the most expensive one?”

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[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I don't think that most of the big tech companies are listening to your microphone (I'm not ruling it out entirely, and I'm certainly there are some smaller sketchier companies that are doing it)

But I think most of the time most of the time they don't need to

They know what ads you've seen on your phone/computer, what you've been googling, the websites you've visited, where you've used your credit card, what shows and movies you watch, and where you've been (from gps locations, or from what wifi networks and Bluetooth devices you've been near or connected to) and what ads, playlists, stores, products, etc. you were exposed to while you were there, and of course who you talk to and all of that same information about those people.

That's all going to influence the things you think and talk about, they probably have a pretty good idea what kind of conversations you're going to have well before you do.

And don't get me wrong, that's creepy as fuck.

I think most of it comes down to people not even realizing how much data about ourselves we put out there and all of the ways it can be collected and used to build a profile about you.

And honestly I think they can probably get better data from that most of the time than from trying to filter out background noise and make sense of what you're talking about through your microphone.

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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] 4am@lemm.ee 19 points 5 days ago

We live in an age where the voice can be processed locally on the phone (we’ve had on-device speech-to-text since the late 90s…), and it’s already listening for a wake word, meaning mic is always hot. It doesn’t need to be streamed and use bandwidth; it can fire off 4K of JSON every few hours and relay more than enough information.

Just program whole dictionary of key phrases and scan the wake word buffer like you are already doing. Easy, stealthy, encrypted. Every voice assistant from a major tech company could (and likely IS) doing this.

This also provides ample opportunity for domestic (or even foreign!) spying my state actors, too.

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