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I need Hdr and vrr to work and a replacement for madvr that can make movies look as good as it can.
That's what's holding me, and multiple people I know, from moving to Linux.
The hdr and vrr seems to be about there but as far as I understand there's still not an equivalent to madvr.
I simmarily roll my eyes when people volunteer "I'll go vegan as soon as lab grown meat is cheap, healthy and indistinguishable." Every meat eater says this to me at some point.
Like okay, that's nice? Lots of us live and thrive just fine without it, but even when all your hurdles are passed you'll find some other reason.
Just own it and say you don't care. Stop lying.
It's a little strange that you think "I want feature parity with what's working for me (from my perspective)" is:
The healthy responses would be "Well, I hope either support grows or your needs change, because of some philosophical reasons you might not care about... yet" or, if they're open to it "Oh, it can do this if you put a little work in, let me help you."
The unhealthy response is to accuse people of moving goalposts as if someone's tool of choice is a political debate. It can be, obviously, given FOSS philosophies, but honestly this kind of screed just drives people away.
yeah, if you want to talk to computer normies about it, its good to focus on the practical advantages.
you wont get nag screens and bullshit, its yours. it works well even on potato computers. its actually easier to use in a lot of ways. there are no ads. it actually runs games now, sometimes better than windows. it wont randomly slow down for some background task while you use it. it wont uninstall your shit or reset settings. it wont install shit without you approval. there are no ads. its less targeted by hackers and viruses. it is more powerful if you want to put the effort.
so on, so forth. privacy and freedom are important things, but ones that most people sadly dont think about in secondary aspects of their lives like computers are for most people.
"it has to run every single piece of windows software or else its useless"
I'll move once it has Steam VR support. I don't care if it's just one VR game at the start. I just want to be able to see my monitors and play one game. And I know other options exist. But I want Steam.
I heard about some beta version of SteamVR with Support for linux through Steam Link a while ago, but never got it to work under endeavour. ALVR came damn close. It was able to see my Quest 3 and SteamVR was running and detecting the headset + controllers too. Unfortunately never with any display output. I just hope Valve brings out some Headset based on SteamOS.
I can't believe I bought a windows license in July, back when I built my new PC - was planning to use Windows for games exclusively and Linux for everything else.
Haven't booted into Windows since at least November, it's a great feeling. Every game I play (including new releases) runs fine on Linux.
What a time to be alive!
(note: the only game I can't play is Valorant, but that's the same on Windows, too, as it requires secure boot)
If your computer is mainly a toy I really DGAF what you put up with to use it.
Every so often, when an online game gets support on Linux I give it a go. I almost immediately remember why I stopped playing them, most of them are cesspools of toxic pkayers, predatory micro (and mavro) transactions and the works. 100% of games worth playing run on linux already.
Why is it a lie if people don't want to switch, because their games are not there yet? Maybe someone plays a lot League of Legends, or Fortnite, or Valorant, or Destiny 2 or whatever [insert your game here]. They don't know what awaits them in Linux and think its a similar operating system without the bullshit of Microsoft. Lot of people would happily switch, if they have the courage to install it themselves (with burning iso or boot disks). If the games are the most important thing, then its hard to argue to switch, if their games are not working in Linux. Because doing so would mean leaving friends behind too.
Its not a lie. My brother is in a similar situation. He purchased a Steam Deck in a situation where he was thinking about getting a laptop. First it was nice, but then more and more he could not play the games he wanted to, besides a few software compatibility issues like Discord. Now the next PC he purchased (I build it for him) has Windows. Windows bugs him, but its a necessary evil. He will switch, if his games are working in Linux and if he can be confident that future games he want to play will work on Linux as well.
If it doesnt work on Linux I aint buying. Fucking manchilds without self respect.
This has been a common mode of discourse since the 90's.
Who cares.
Folks that're going to use Linux already are. Folks that are curious about it are trying it, and occasionally they post asking for help. Everybody else is using what they use and has no interest in changing.
It's pretty hard switch. I have a high interest in Linux, and I have 100% game compatibility. But I'm always running into issues that are so bad I have to abandon ship. I broken Ubuntu, Nobara, Debian, OpenSuse, and EndeavorOS. Truly Linux isn't ready for newbies.
i wouldn't generally say not ready for newbies. It depends on your hardware and your individual way of doing things.
you cannot just expect that year or decade long windows habits translate seamlessly to Linux. so there will be a bit of a wall to climb for most people and many failed attempts. that is ok. just try again if you feel like it and you will arrive eventually with a hell of a new computer related problem solving skillset you automatically pick up along the way
To counter this, my experience was completely different. The transition was very easy.
Just set up some type of snapshots (I used Timeshift with auto snapshots made before every update and made available immediately on grub boot menu).
I ran EndeavourOS for over a year this way, and broke it a whole bunch of times while learning the ins and outs. Timeshift was clutch, and made reverting any mistakes super easy.
Now I'm on Bazzite, which is atomic and immutable, so I don't really worry about breaking anything because I couldn't if I wanted to (I mean I could, but it's not easy).
Linux is ready for newbies, just as Windows is. You just have to relearn stuff and not treat it like Windows.
I'm planning on trying Nobara again soon, since that seems to be where I learned the most, unfortunate bc I really wanted EndeavorOS to work out
Try Garuda, the gaming edition is well configured for Nvidia cards, and from what I've seen AMD, out of the box. There was some small issues I had Nobara that I've not had with Garuda, and at the time I was trying Nobara it was just GE doing all the dev work on it. It has a very active forum where the dev team is quick to answer questions. The two times I ran into an issue that turned out to be a bug, I had devs replying quickly and it was fixed quickly. Highly recommend.
I'll throw Garuda on my Ventoy for sure!
Wherever you land, I hope Linux treats you well. Keep trying different distros, there's a lot of choice out there, which is kinda the problem tbh.
This is an terrible take. You must have switched the moment you became aware of Linux, had no qualms or before the switch, didn't mull it over even a little bit.
Please go back in time to when you weren't using Linux yet, and direct this rant at yourself and see how you like it.
I think you put too much weight on everything, including your opinion. I am not trying to be insulting, just realistic.
I can equally say that I hate how so many people say, "just switch to Linux, its easy and does everything." Neither of those is the case because it doesn't factor in the learning curve nor does Linux do everything.
So if you want more Linux users, focus more on being helpful. Ask what their specific concerns are, or what apps they must have vs would be nice to have. Point people to distros that would fit their use case (it's mind boggling as a non Linux user to just look up what distro to get). Then point them towards how to find answers to their questions and troubleshooting steps.
Nuture the seeds you plant and they will grow. Yelling at them that they aren't growing isn't going to help.
As a Linux user, this post is exhausting.
SteamOS is exciting. Many people had their first proper experience of using Linux with the steamdeck and many of those thoroughly enjoy the experience. I imagine its a great comfort to know that your OS is being supported by the same people who gave you such a great experience in the past.
I'm sure theres a tiny fraction of people who absolutely are just moving the goalpost over and over, but most people just want something that works for them with minimal friction. SteamOS will do that, and it'll be familiar.
Hey it’s just like EVs or any other new technologies. The enthusiasts or believers will dive in first and deal with all the complicated setups. If it is actually better, these enthusiasts will form a company or already be a company who will create a product that will dominate the industry because they have a better product. Valve is definitely setup to be that company with the funds and competitive reasons to compete with Microsoft (windows/xbox store vs steam store). Steam store is their money maker but they face risks from Microsoft. Luckily Microsoft has to be careful due to antitrust issues because of their size, ie, Apple Store.
Be a cheerleader, encourage these people to take the dive. If you’re hating on people who want their stuff to just work you’ll never grow to get the casual pc / gamer user. Change is hard, most people are not looking to tinker.
I like this comment
Try to play Diablo 2 or Commandos on a new windows box ... Possible but a huge hassle IMO.
This, linux is actually much easier for older games
I understand what you’re saying and I guess it’s true that some people are just finding excuses.
But I think you also lack some empathy towards everyone ´s user’s case.
Personnaly, switching fully to Linux was pretty easy as 99% of my gaming is being done on Playstation.
On my playstation 5 I can know for sure that I can play every game I fancy.
Why am I gaming on consoles? Mostly because it involves no tinkering.
So, despite having gotten rid of Windows a while ago, I would easily give up if I had to tinker to get a game running.
I know that gaming on Linux as never been so easy, but gaming on PC (windows or linux) looks already too difficult for some people with all the requirements.
I might jump to a Linux gaming rig in the future, but I can also understand why some people are choosing an easy path.
Pointless discussion.
You ever seen this XKCD about “today’s 10,000?”
Your rant reminds me of that because I think you’ve got this idea in your head that everyone in life is at the same point in their journey as you are now. Linux has been on the edge of my mind for awhile but I’m a really busy working person and learning a new operating system seems daunting when you don’t have the experience.
Then I bought a Steamdeck last year and a switch flipped in my head; I was like hey this gaming on Linux and it looks like it is actually doable. Then a few weeks back a misfortune resulted in Windows getting nuked on my gaming PC and I had some free time so installed Linux for the first time and started trying to figure stuff out.
My point is that there are people who are truthfully interested but overwhelmed with life or it’s just not as high a priority to them so it hasn’t happened yet but that doesn’t mean that it won’t happen. This approach of “they would have done it by now if they were going to” just seems silly to me. People have lives and we are all at different places in our journey.
Wow really can resonate with that one. I'm there right now
Uh I mean.... "Nuh uh if you use windows you can eat shit and fuck off" /s
"Fuck you Microsoft, I'm moving to Linux" says the individual that would never move if they haven't already
I posted this in a comment somewhere on Lemmy about a month before I moved. It took me a while because I have a chronic illness, a disability, and the whole process takes a lot of sitting at my desk which is quite hard on my body.
Not everyone's circumstances are the same. I get the sentiment you're trying to share but cut people some slack...