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[–] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Weren't airlines purposefully inflating trip times because of the Biden administration's rule changes on trip refunds?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago

LGL to ATL usually is a 2 hour flight. Wonder if they had more time booked due to air traffic.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Party pooper here.

You know when fast food workers post images of things like stepping bare footed onto a bowl of salad?

To me, this is the equivalent for pilots. Safety, checklists and routines, take time. Don't go posting on social media that your are competing in this space.

Ps: the post in question is arguably not too bad. But, if this is "a thing", then I'd suggest to be careful to be associated with it.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Safety, checklists and routines, take time.

Walkarounds and such are done before takeoff, and you aren't taking off early, especially not in an airliner. In-flight checklists don't take more or less time, since the airliner is going whether you want it or not, and the pilot does not / can not just set the throttle for a faster speed. It's fine.

There are two major factors influencing travel time on an airliner, neither of them have anything to do with doing stuff faster with less attention to safety. They are airport organisation and prevailing winds.

If your departure/destination is competent and there are less complications from overworked ATC or other planes being late on arrival/departure, you're most likely fine.

The big thing though is wind. A head/tailwind can affect your ground speed to a degree of +/- 30% in extreme cases, so these are harmless. It's not even up to the pilot "going faster". There are similar posts and even articles about airliners "breaking the sound barrier", eg. having a larger ground speed than the speed of sound in static air on the ground.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I mean, the pilot can literally set the throttle for more speed? Isn't that the whole function of it? "Engine go more/less brrr?"

(I am aware of autothrottle and all that, but iirc pilots still have a lot of leeway regarding economy/speed/...)

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

I'm sure the airlines want those throttles set to the most fuel efficient setting that gets the plane there safely and on time. Fuel is expensive.

As the other response noted, arriving early can lead to headaches, but for other reasons - for example, slots at the gates are timed, so arriving before the previous plane departs won't work well. Of course this doesn't always apply, sometimes the gate is just sitting empty already.

Also, airlines have padded their schedules for years to give themselves some leeway in case of unexpected delays in taking off, landing, minor issues with the plane, etc. I assume this is a relatively small amount, like 5 or 10 minutes, but I really don't know. But it does mean the flight will show up early frequently when things are normal.

[–] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm no aerospace doctor or nothin, but I'd think the pilot would be expected to stay on a very strict schedule. If they arrived at the intended airport minutes ahead of schedule they might have trouble landing when another scheduled flight is trying to land or have to awkwardly circle the runway until there is clearance.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Approach control takes care of that for airliners. They literally get told vectors to maintain.

IFR pilots follow ATC instructions throughout their flight.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 23 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Stretch goal: Arrive before takeoff.

[–] markstos@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Happens everyday thanks to time zones.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago

Journey before destination

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Concorde has entered the chat.

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 2 points 10 hours ago

Phileas Fogg has entered the chat.

[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 29 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Boeing is doing the low% speedrun where you try to get to your destination with the least aircraft parts.

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago

At this point arriving at the airport is optional.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 35 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Hmm, after reading my contract carefully, there's nothing in there that explicitly says I actually have to wait for the passengers and baggage to be loaded before taking off...

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 20 hours ago

[halfway through the flight] "Dang, I can't make this time. Going to reset"

[–] owl@infosec.pub 15 points 21 hours ago

Just type in the 7500 cheatcode and you can take shortcuts through military airspace.

[–] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 5 points 15 hours ago

Checks out. I always try to fly Delta when possible. Had the least amount of delays from them.

[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

A TOS shows that if you do an out of bounds glitch you can trigger the loading zone under ground because they stretch to the bottom of the sky box.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 179 points 1 day ago (7 children)

JFK to LAX, any % of passengers.

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

By any % of passengers, You mean seats filled, or do You mean arrive with a different amount that You took off with?

[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If it was any% of plane, there are some creative launching strategies we could explore.

[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

And landing

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Used to lead big hikes. We had an "80% return rate is good". Partial bodies counted.

Yes, this was a joke for attendees.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's funny that you can have a 99% return rate and everyone is dead because they are missing a main artery or something

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 3 hours ago

Works for me. Just gotta meet those numbers.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Block time (airlines calculate it differently) was traditionally viewed from “block to block”, the time the wheel chocks were removed for the aircraft to move under its own power for departure to the time the wheel chocks were put back under the wheels at destination. Now it just means what the airline thinks the flight time will be for scheduling purposes.

As a passenger, this is what you see when your app tells you the flight time. It includes taxi out and taxi in.

Delay-prone flights are often over blocked, so a perfectly delay-free flight (push, taxi, takeoff, fly, land, taxi in, park) that takes say an hour and a half total might me blocked for 1:50 because historically one of the airports might be busy at that time an they know there will be a long taxi, gate holds, whatever.

So sometimes fate smiles on everyone and you get to leave early, miss whatever built in delays there might be planned, ATC gives you a couple shortcuts, a favorable wind, and bam, you’re in 30 minutes early.

So not really a speed run, just lots of luck.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Nice explanation, thanks.

I was thinking that maybe the company needed that plane somewhere quickly and just said screw it to fuel efficiency.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 7 points 17 hours ago

The RNG gods giveth and the RNG gods take away.

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[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 104 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Southwest Airlines pays their pilots a bonus for every minute they block in early.

Guess who has a reputation for bugging ATC for shortcuts and taxiing really fast.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Aha, I knew it! Flight attendants get paid per 'flight' hour and the pilots get bonuses to reduce the amount of time the attendants are paid for. That's fucked up

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Pay is usually per flight hour, but also paid on a block-or-better basis. The minimum pay for completing a leg is the scheduled time, but if there are delays, then actual time from parking brake to parking brake is paid

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Oh, that's better than I assumed

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago

parking brake

This a fwd model? Get me some McDonald's trays, I'm gonna show atc a cool trick

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Ladies and gentelmen this is your pilot speaking, I've gone ahead and put the seat belt lights back on because Marlons a fucking showoff and thinks he so great. Buckle up and hold tight.

[–] nebulaone@lemmy.world 71 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Ooooh, so that's why I saw a plane doing janky backwards jumps before being flung off into the sky.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

click uh, ladies and gentlemen this is your Captain speaking. Wha. Hoo hoo. Yahoooo! Yahoo! Yah! Yayayayaya! click

(Edit: wrong sound)

[–] nebulaone@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

subjects everyone to 15g force.

I mean it might make the flight less boring, since everyone just passes out.

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[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago
[–] Futurama@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No no no, that's only 52 minutes early. He left 2 minutes before the scheduled start time. Quit trying to boost your stats, man!

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago

Me farming gold 10 seconds before the match ends to look good on the stats screen:

[–] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 10 points 21 hours ago

Freebird intensifys

[–] yax@feddit.org 8 points 21 hours ago

Is doing anything fast or being happy about anything going smoothly really considered a speedrun now?

Don't get me wrong. If Summoning salt posts a two hour long video about the history and optimization of Delta Airlines flight 545 between LGA and ATL, I'm watching that shit.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Sometimes I like to speedrun deliveries in American Truck Simulator. Turn off fatigue (roleplay my driver as addicted to energy drinks and cocaine and pees in bottles) and drive at 105 mph (168.981 km/hr) halfway across the country.

Get there 3 days early, because faster deliveries means more Value^®^ to the shareholders.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 36 points 1 day ago

I definitely enjoyed when trucks showed up 3 days earlier than they were supposed to when i ran a shipping dock. It definitely didn't fuck up our whole system, no way.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

Weird, I don't remember making this comment

(I use the new Volvo VNL sleeper with the stock engine, so 85 is about all it can do, but you ever got up on 2 wheels - technically 5 but - at a near-perfect 45 degree tilt, while doing 80, because you are determined to prove that "30 mph advisory speed" sign wrong? 85 the whole way, ducking and weaving and using the shoulders and the median...)

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