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And one thing, importantly, that President Biden has been absolutely consistent about is this belief that he believes that had he stayed in the race, he would have defeated Donald Trump again. Now, all of this adds up to, I would say, a mood of sadness and sort of this sense of tragedy here at the White House,” concluded Lee. “Those around him believing and actually hoping that when history judges President Biden years from now, that it will be a little bit more forgiving than how the president is being widely judged, at least today, Jake. ”

Emphasis mine. The level of hubris is genuinely jaw-dropping.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 3 days ago

To be fair though im in a rather dark mood myself.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Would you have felt more or less angry keeping your promise not to run again Joe? Sounds like a you problem.

[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think the anger needs to be focused on the Democratic party leaders and apparatus for being elitist in their thinking ignoring the constituency and losing the blue collar vote. They have increasingly catered to the college educated with predictable results.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Agreed, with the caveat that we don't need anger. Anger is fine, of course, but we need a sense of purpose. The realization that the DNC is a force for corporate greed, that we cannot support it or expect it to save us, and the determination to go in a different direction.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

They have increasingly catered to the college educated with predictable results.

Hogwash. They have catered to the dwindling number of alleged moderate Republicans. There is no reason that you cannot appeal to both the college educated and those without a degree.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's hard to be absolutely sure, but I think the chances of him winning were very, very slim.

I know his internal numbers were supposedly very bad, but it's also hard to say how that stacks up with the fact that Kamala is also POC and a woman and we know that is definitely still a factor, unfortunately.

My guess - and without actually holding an election, that's all it can be - is that his results would have been worse than Kamala's.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago

Joe Biden's internal polling reportedly showed that Donald Trump was on track to win 400 electoral votes in a head-to-head matchup according to one of the pod save america bros

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah I think the Democrats would have lost no matter who they ran IMO. I think Trump won the second that assassin missed and he did the fist pump in front of the American flag. That's exactly the sort of shit people eat up.

And it's funny that Biden's all pissy about it because I think he actually did play it the best way he could to benefit himself personally - by dropping out he wins no matter what. If Harris had won, he'd have looked heroic for stepping aside and 'putting country before himself' or whatever, and now that she lost, he can just say "well I would have won if I'd stayed" which you can't really prove definitively one way or the other.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think Trump won the second that assassin missed and he did the fist pump in front of the American flag. That's exactly the sort of shit people eat up.

Part of why I never fully believed that that wasn't staged.

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