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[–] cypher_greyhat@lemmy.world 277 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Google’s search results are absolute garbage lately. It pushes the most advert-heavy spam sites first.

DuckDuckGo has more reliably been giving me the technical documentation I was looking for in the past year.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can't find shit anymore, always spam sites angry at my ad blocker or YouTube videos, which are angry at my ad blocker.

[–] lps2@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The first half of the first page is all ads now on Google. It's utter shit - the things it's a lot better at than DDG is NLP, being able to understand questions, and anything news related. If you know exactly what you're searching for though, using the old style of search words works great on DDG

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[–] Sendbeer@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I used to be able to search for a tracking number by Google and it would link to the correct delivery tracking service. About 1-2 months ago Google stopped doing this and just gives no results. Why would they stop linking you to FedEx or UPS? Who knows, but my wild ass guess is since Google was not able to link "related" sponsored links along with it they just removed the functionality. They are just actively making their service shittier anytime something minor doesn't dish out a shitty ad along with it.

I've gone on to using Kagi and DDG. Rarely do I miss Google search.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do this all the time for work. It still works for me when I put a FDX trk # in

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I love searching for something on Google and have the entirety of the above the fold be sponsored results

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[–] Neato@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

When I built my PC last year I decided to just let Edge and Bing go for a bit instead of immediately downloading another browser or changing the search engine. I can count on one hand the number of times I needed to enter in Google.com to get a different or better result. And almost every one of those was because I wanted a google maps results and not whatever weird maps MS has.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I recall correctly, DuckDuckGo uses Bing's search database (not search itself, just the database).

[–] ComradeR@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I miss the 2000s/2010s Google. Now I need to endlessly scroll down the page in an attempt to find something barely useful.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 132 points 1 year ago (18 children)

But Weinberg testified that getting users to switch from Google was complicated, requiring as many as 30 to 50 steps to change defaults on all their devices, whereas the process could be shortened to just one click on each device.

Full disclosure, been using Duck Duck Go for a while but...

30 to 50 steps? On a Samsung it's one click from the address bar to select a search engine and then another to select Duck, Google, yahoo, or bing.

The way it's worded they're adding steps for like 10 devices together.

And for it to be a single click, all the options would have to display every time you click the address bar, which would make it look like a 90s web browser.

I'm all about Duck, but that reeks of bullshit because they know most politicians don't know as much about the internet as a 9 year old does.

[–] VelociCatTurd@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Step 1. Pickup the phone Step 2. Look at the screen Step 3. Power the phone on Step 4….

[–] mifan@feddit.dk 16 points 1 year ago
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[–] IzzyData@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That does seem like an exaggeration, but there is truth in the power of defaults for the mainstream audience.

[–] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Pixel phones it's harder:

Change fucking launcher... The google bar is always there, cannot be removed and it's always google.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

My Samsung phone automatically reverts my favourite browser to the Samsung browser all the time without asking.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 99 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Daily reminder that unregulated capitalism hurts all of us.

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (7 children)

He's probably right, but from what I see, the reality is that like 95% of people simply don't care, and the rest will find an alternative.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Its the easiest thing in the world. I degoogled everything in my life in like 2-3 days after work. People aren't switching because the bulk of the world's populace likes the centralization and using the popular option. They just want to use what everyone else is.

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 88 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think if you were to ask "most people" about which search engine they prefer, they wouldn't really understand the question. I remember in highschool a teacher asked someone what operating system they have at home, and she replied "I think it's Microsoft Office".

Tech people tend to severely overestimate non-tech peoples' understanding of tech.

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Counterpoint: tech literacy is irresponsibly low for a modern developed world that now requires it for everyday operation.

[–] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both of these things can be true at the same time.

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] owatnext@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I am lucky my husband likes to learn about this sort of stuff. When we started dating he barely knew the difference between Mac and Windows. Now he uses Linux. Granted, I have to install it, but he keeps on top of maintenance.

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[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I made a list of the Google services I needed to replace, replaced a couple of them, but ultimately that list had dozens of items on it and I'm too tired already to complete it

It is not easy. This comment must be satire?

For example have you tried navigating in a car with a navigation app besides Maps? I don't have an iPhone and the ones I've tried so far suck. I mean, I think Waze isn't even all that good and Google owns even them now.

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[–] Mikina@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While I don't believe you can degoogle that quickly, because some of their services take quite some time to properly switch, such as email, in the end it's not too hard, but just takes time and some work.

Changing email is easy, if you don't mind it being a slow process. Just forward your google email, and start slowly replacing any service you notice in the following months/years to your new address.

Google Drive is harder to replace, I went for just running a NAS with Nextcloud, which takes care of most of Google Drive/Docs/Calendar stuff. If self-hosting isn't your cup of tea, Proton is slowly setting up usable google alternatives - they have Drive and Calendar IIRC.

Now for phone, that's the hardest task. You wouldn't help yourself by getting an IPhone. While it would de-google you, there's basically no point in switching google for apple. Getting android to be usable for stuff like banking, MFA and other bullshit you need your phone for while being degoogled is hard, due to the bullshit Google Services. The only solution I found is to either just go with dumb phone with an obscure OS, or just get a Google Pixel and run GrapheneOS.

Maps are another issue, but thankfully we have a local https://mapy.cz/ , which is a pretty OK alternative to Google maps for our country, and I guess they even work worldwide. I don't drive a car, so I don't really need it that often.

The only remaining Google service I use is GCloud VPS, because I have some websites running there on the free instances that I'm too lazy to move. But I'm slowly migrating it to Amazon. Not that it would help much, anyway. And also Youtube, but I'm trying to go through the alternative front-ends as much as possible.

And for browser, I'm using https://mullvad.net/en/browser. Fuck chromium.

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[–] cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I installed a custom launcher that's close to the stock one on my Pixel 3 specifically to make it possible to remove the Google Search widget. Now I have a Firefox widget that points to DDG.

If any are interested, the launcher is Lawn Chair, and it can be installed via F-droid.

[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That launcher is abandoned

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[–] red@sopuli.xyz 31 points 1 year ago (23 children)

DuckDuckGo CEO apparently is just another CEO. I've been an early adopter that's been using their search engine long before there were apps or a browser.

What's stopping people from using DDG isn't switching to DDG, it's getting absolutely dogshit results 90% of time. As an advanced user I know I can prefix my search with "!g phrase" to use Google instead of DDG. The sad fact is that despite the ad-ridden result page and tracking, Google is still lightyears ahead in providing relevant, and especially timely results for a user that is both tech-savvy and critical.

They need to improve their product, users will follow a good adfree search engine, that's a given. Only a fraction of users will put up with degraded results in order to search without tracking.

I sincerely hope they will get their tech up to par. And that their browser on mobile reaches feature parity soon. (as a Z Fold user, DDG browser doesn't have tabs. Brave, Vivaldi and Firefox does).

The new kid on the block needs humility and good tech, not shittalk. Fuck that CEO,. he's undermining something very promising and important.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I've never had a problem with DDGs search results that simply rephrasing my query didn't solve. What are you all searching for that Google's results are "light-years ahead" of DuckDuckGo's? (Honest question)

[–] CO_Chewie@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

I agree. Honestly anytime I've resorted to having to use Google for something I feel the results are even worse than DDG.

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[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I often don't find what I want in DDG; and I then try !g to look for it with Google... and Google doesn't find it either.

In my experience it is very rare for Google to help me with a search that DDG failed with. As for the converse, I wouldn't know - because I never search Google first. Why wouldn't I? They're evil.

That said, I will point out that I don't use a google account, and I block most google-related cookies. I know that some people find Google gives better results due to its personalised results; and obviously I'm not 'benefiting' from that. So it is believable that you get better results from Google than I do, due to it knowing more about you, and thus guessing what you might want to see.

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[–] not_amm@beehaw.org 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I always see people saying Google provides better results, but to me it's awful. I don't even use DDGO anymore, but Google only shows ads and SEO optimized results that look AI generated. Is this common or am I just an isolated case?

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[–] gamer@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

DDG isn't the only alternative to Google. I use Kagi and love it. The results IME are definitely better than Google's.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago
[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The U.S. Department of Justice argues that Google has smothered competition by paying companies such as Apple and Verizon to lock in its search engine as the default choice — the first one users see — on many laptops and smartphones.

Even when it holds the default spot on smartphones and other devices, Google argues, users can switch to rival search engines with a couple of clicks.

DuckDuckGo still sells ads, but bases them on what people are asking its search engine in the moment, a technique known as “contextual advertising.” That focus on privacy helped the company attract more users after the Edward Snowden saga raised awareness about the pervasiveness of online surveillance.

It gained even more customers after Facebook’s Cambridge Analytica scandal opened a window into how personal information extracted from digital services can be passed around to other data brokers.

But Lehman said machine learning has improved rapidly in recent years, to the point that computers can evaluate text on their own without needing to analyze data from user clicks.

During the exchange, U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta drew a laugh by asking how internet searches would answer one of pop culture’s most pressing questions this week: whether superstar singer Taylor Swift is dating NFL tight end Travis Kelce.


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