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[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 4 points 7 hours ago

Experts in the field may be more knowledgeable, but there seem to be multiple attack vectors to me:

  • Fight and advocate to reduce social injustice; people who feel powerless or left out vote right [even against their own interest]
  • Support quality education that critically explores fascism and history, that improves media literacy, and logical fallacies etc
  • Support social programs that help people in the scene get out
  • Support social programs that prevent people from drifting into that scene
  • Be a voice in criticism and watchdogging media, orgs, and [public] people
[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago

Get organized with a socialist, revolutionary, anti-war, and/or anti-fascist organization near you that is visibly putting in the work and regularly mobilizing. Recruit more people to your cause and form coalitions with organizations that align with your values. I can personally endorse the PSL but certainly do the research for yourself to find a group that speaks to you personally & whose work you find to be the most fulfilling.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 3 points 7 hours ago
[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I want to do some more radical stuff without getting arrested. What should i do? I live in sweden and the right has been creeping up here as well(not as bad as the us but still a shit situation). I already did the first steps like trying to wake up friends to the reality(family already "woke" so thats nice, less work) of the situation.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 10 points 10 hours ago

Find out what fascism would look like at the individual level, and then make yourself immune to that behavior yourself, ensuring that you yourself are not fertile ground for it to grow in.

That’s the emphasis of the course Maps of Meaning. One of the stated intentions of the course is (paraphrased) “To make my students realize that they are capable of being an Auschwitz camp guard, which is not a fun thing to realize, and then to build the kind of life and character that would prevent them from taking part”.

So really, based on my own understanding of how fascism arose in Germany, the best thing is to be totally dedicated to telling the truth. Have values to go higher than your own safety and comfort, and be dedicated enough so that when the opportunity comes to stay comfortable by supporting the fascists, you have the backbone to oppose them.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 19 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

The only peaceful method i can think of would be for enough people to collectively get together and agree to completely stop buying stuff, other than food and absolute necessities. No luxuries, none. But you'd need enough people and to do it long enough to completely destroy the economy. It would be very boring for a long time.

Not gonna happen.

More realistically, we need more Luigis.

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[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 28 points 13 hours ago

You have to be willing to Luigi these people. We need a thousand more Luigi.

Any other answer is wrong.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 hours ago

Nice try, FBI.

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 20 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

I won't say just vote, but you should do that, too, at every level!

Depending on how much time and money you have:

  • Join a union (and give time and money to organising the union)
  • Join an antifascist political party (and give time and money to organising the party)
  • Lobby your representatives to demand they oppose fascism
  • Join protests against fascism
  • Join civil society groups that are antifascist (either directly or because they're pro human rights or anti-racist, or what-have-you) (and give time and money etc.)
  • Boycott businesses that are owned by or enable fascists
  • Join co-operatives (and give time and money etc.)
  • Join community groups (these don't even have to be political)
  • Support local, independent media and good freelance journalists
  • Spread the word about all of the above

I've ordered these roughly by how effective I think they're likely to be (this is of course just one guy's opinion); you should pick the one(s) that are most attractive to you and best fit your current situation.

Fair warning, none of the above will instantly fix the problem and I grant that some of them probably seem pretty weak sauce in the face of fascism, but the more people do them, the weaker the fascists will get.

[–] shiiika@midwest.social 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks for all of this. People who are shy or on the fence need to see more people doing most (if not all) of these things. Those of us who do it need to be incorrigible optimists about it even though we may not feel like it

[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 hours ago

Yes, exactly. There are some things on this list where, if everyone opposed to fascism did one of them, we'd win tomorrow. Realistically, not everyone will, but it's still the right thing to do, to prise very bit of power from their grasp.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

At this point, just voting is as helpful as upvoting a comment. We all need to do more. The time to "just vote" has passed.

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

I think the solution is attack the systems themselves and when that isn't sufficient there are only a few people at the top with power.

I am leaving or unsubscribing from as many monopoly powers as possible: Google, Amazon, meta, Twitter, Netflix, etc etc. Be vocal about it, take friends and family with you if you can. I'm choosing open source when possible over more polished closed source, like jellyfin and Linux (transitioning this weekend 🤞), and donate. These actions take a small fraction of their income from them and if enough people do it I believe it will cause them issues.

I'm trying to not just leave these things but build communities for when we leave. For me this looks like trying to get a blog off the ground for friends and family, developing friend circles that have these discussions frequently, and then contributing/volunteering within my direct neighborhood or community (working on this one as I'm new in Germany and that comes with it's own time taxes).

Also, if you can afford to, buy local. Buy from someone you know. Buy from people with good supply lines. Be vocal about how this is critical and necessary. The more money that goes to our neighbors instead of the 1% somewhere else in the world, the better. That's all the shift of power, and it starts with not shopping at whole foods or Walmart and buying bespoke or sometimes worse products for sometimes more money so that those good people can work on their process and products.

But these are small steps, and personally I don't have any idea of the connective tissues between a person or group of people and the political systems most of us exist in. I guess in the past political parties were more grassroots driven, like get in a room with your neighbors and develop policies and debate. I've never lived in that reality. Getting back to that is probably incredibly important. I guess new age political parties and old school unions are the best path forward there.

But the inevitable path, if all else fails, is violence. That is the reality. That becomes a lot less personally risky the larger a community you have before starting it, but as we've seen one Super Mario brother is sufficient to make changes.

"A Riot is the language of the unheard"

-Martin Luther King Jr.

"When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable"

-John F. Kennedy

As per lemmy.world rules, I'm obligated to say that I do not condone violence, just quoting some people, interpret it however you wish to. 😉

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 245 points 21 hours ago (28 children)
[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 116 points 20 hours ago (7 children)

Violence really, really fucking sucks.

It may be necessary, but if there's any other option you should look to that first. If it legitimately comes to violence a lot of innocent people are going to suffer in a big way.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 127 points 20 hours ago (9 children)

There were other options. I think those other options failed at this point in time.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 5 points 9 hours ago

His spokesperson in Italy said that he meant to say "I give my heart to you" with that gesture. I mean, dude, just own it up. It's not like there would have been any repercussion.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 28 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Is this a reference to something?

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 78 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Couple of things:

  • Information : Keep creating and sharing reliable information. Not just opinions, information. We are still the majority, the US fascists is not world, we need to flood all the relevant platforms with our content.
  • Education: The reason these monsters have any credibility is because some people are too mentally weak to defend themself from misinformation. We need to educate around in any way possible. Everything counts, keep trying.
  • Humor is a powerful weapon. These people have giant ego and 0 humor. Let's keep ridicule them and have fun at their expense. They need to understand we have some things they can never touch, even with all the money in the world, solidarity, humour and camaraderie.
[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 12 points 12 hours ago

also hope. Got to show people there is hope so they dont fall into apathy. They got to know others are actively doing something and refuse to be silenced. I have been trying to look for this for long time now and its not been good.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Organize en masse using a common enemy (billionaires). Fascists win when they are able to successfully divide and conquer, which they have been very successful at.

There's a very good reason both neoliberals and fascists have been working so hard for so long to distract the masses from who's causing the real issues in society.

We can't let them shut us down this time, like they did with Occupy Wall Street, the George Floyd protests, the hippy movement, MLK Jr.'s economic movement. We need to stay controversial and constantly active so we can stay in the news cycle (much like how Trump has been able to dominate the news cycle since 2015). If they try to distract us, we must counter at every step of the way.

Workers have the real power in society, and the oligarchs can't survive without us. The sooner we all realize that, the better.

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[–] AnthropomorphicCat@lemmy.world 59 points 19 hours ago

I'm pretty sure that the answer is against the Terms Of Service of this instance.

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