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[–] JollyG@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I am writing this with the assumption that you are tacitly asking about US politics because of the moment in history. What I have to say will make people mad, but here goes:

A lot of the people on this webzone are what Eitan Hersh called "political hobbyists". These are people who do not really take political action in their daily life despite voting or occasionally attending a rally. They may be well informed about politics, but being well-informed in itself is not really effective at changing politics. You can get on your phone and "rub the glass" to complain about politics, or to find people who agree with you. But outrage on social media won't change anything, and if rubbing the glass and occasionally voting is all you do, then you are a political hobbyist.

Political hobbyism mostly functions as a consumerist approach to political engagement. A political hobbyist will passively receive news and information about politics, but will never really try to change anything, because to them engaging in a news feed is all they really do. That consumerism is painfully apparent here when, for example, posters denounce a Democratic candidate as being "not exciting" or someone they are "not passionate about" as if the candidate was the newest model in a brand of laptops that failed to zazzle in Q3. We see signs of political hobbyism again when political parties are treated as entities that are somehow completely separate from the public. For example when a lemmy user denounces the Democratic party for not doing what they want. "The Democrats need to do X!" Why are you complaining about that on the internet? You know the DNC isn't reading these threads right?

If you really wanted to influence the Democratic party (which I think is the best bet for resisting fascism right now) why aren't you lobbying the party? Why aren't you mobilizing voter bases? Why aren't you building political power in your local community so you can influence larger political organizations? Because its hard, because you don't know where to start, because you are busy? Ok, but fascism is coming, and you are too busy to do anything about it. Or too overwhelmed to even try?

The truth is, if you wanted your ideas (and I am including here opposition to fascism as an idea) to influence policy, or what candidates gain traction in nomination races, then you should have been working on that LOOOOONNNNNG before the national candidate was nominated. Treating the Democratic party as a vendor that offers political products is a losing strategy for gaining influence. There will be an endless parade of glass rubbers ready to denounce the various political parties, but by and large, they didn't do anything to gain influence with those parties. Their denouncements are ignored, they are irrelevant. My advice is to ignore the glass-rubbers. Identify one or two local issues in your physical area and try to improve them. What you should do is find a little slice of America (or your own country if you are not American) and try to make it better. Use those efforts to build up influence at higher levels. My goal here was to convince you not to listen to the glass rubbers. But my advice for resisting fascism is: Try to build political networks, try to mobilize local voters in local issue elections. Doing this will make your network an invaluable asset to larger (state and national) organizations. If you have a network of voters, of issue conscious citizens, or donors, larger organizations are going to want to leverage that network when it comes time for lager races. That gives you leverage. That gives you power. The glass-rubbers are going to tell you that is impossible. Its not. People do it all the time. The book I cited has examples of people doing it. Fascist conservative groups do it all the time. So why not you?

I will admit, this is hard. When I first read Hersh's book I was offended, because when he was describing political hobbyists, he was describing me. But it did give me some motivation to think about politics from the perspective of power. And set me down the road of trying to do all things I wrote about here. It is early days for me yet, and I have only seen limited success. My work complicates things. I am busy, and often overwhelmed. But fascism is coming.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

If "political hobbyism" isn't impactful how did MAGA come to power? Why does russia have a military arm specializing in radicalizing people who participate in "political hobbyism?"

The truth is, political messaging, no mater the venue, needs to be countered at every level. Be it on the darkest depths of the internet or in a local venue that is just as unlikely to ever coalesce into something meaningful.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 9 points 19 hours ago

A lot of this is true. And the system is designed to keep the masses in such an incredibly insecure place when it comes to living and health that they cannot find the time, money, or courage to risk it.

People are barely keeping afloat. They pay their rent hoping their next paycheck will bring up their account balance before the check clears. People are using installment plans for the grocery trip. They have irregular swing shifts and/or two jobs that make scheduling incredibly difficult.

Organizing stuff takes a lot of people's time, mental effort, and money.

I'm definitely not saying don't organize. I'm saying do try and understand especially for the less privileged (among Americans) it's really an insane task.

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 19 hours ago

Voting was the thing to do, too late now for that. History has the answer for what's next

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[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 67 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Run for political office. The Democrats have no intention of fixing anything, let alone making things better.

And if you believe you're not qualified or don't know how to do the job, just remember that both parties are filled with incompetent fools, fakes, conspiracy crackpots, and morons. It would take considerable effort to do worse than some of the people in congress.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, both parties are also filled with money and other resources needed to ensure that only two parties can succeed.

We need alternative voices in office, but I don't think that's happening without some form of revolution. The best one can hope for in lieu of that is co-opting a party's direction over a span of decades, like the fascists did to the GOP.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you can't organize a political movement, you definitely can't organize a revolution. Also, if history is a guide, the people with wealth tend to end up in power after a revolution.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago

Lenin was not wealthy. Stalin was not wealthy. Despite the many failings of the USSR, let us not forget that compared to life under the Tzars it was a smashing success.

And it did put power in the hands of people who weren't born to privilege.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 16 hours ago

I wonder how well thought past revolutions actually were. Did they seriously plan what they will do after they win or did things just move on and suddenly they had to come up what to do now.

Anyways, people with wealth taking power is definitely something that must be planned against or you might as well not do anything in the first place.

[–] lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.today 7 points 21 hours ago
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[–] nick@midwest.social 6 points 16 hours ago

Tactical nukes.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

Stay armed.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I found this book to be very compelling and topical: https://www.ericachenoweth.com/research/civil-resistance-what-everyone-needs-to-know

Civil resistance is a method of conflict through which unarmed civilians use a variety of coordinated methods (strikes, protests, demonstrations, boycotts, and many other tactics) to prosecute a conflict without directly harming or threatening to harm an opponent. Sometimes called nonviolent resistance, unarmed struggle, or nonviolent action, this form of political action is now a mainstay across the globe. It was a central form of resistance in postwar anti-colonial movements, the 1989 revolutions, and the Arab Awakenings, and people are practicing civil resistance at higher rates than ever before around the world, including in the United States. If we want to understand the manifold protest movements emerging around the globe, we need a thorough understanding of civil resistance and its many dynamics and manifestations.

M3 grease guns proved effective last time we tried it.

[–] Damionsipher@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago
[–] dustywinter@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Find charities, news outlets, podcasts, rights groups or other entities that match your message and support them.

Donate money, time, and whatever else you can to help.

I think everyone understands that being loud might draw the wrong attention, so do what you can to support the ones that you want as much as you are able.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

Sherman tanks and M1 Garands were quite effective once.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

By making every single step they try to take excruciatingly painful by any means necessary.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

The ear guy tried.

[–] Loss@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wrong comm to ask this on. The only historically backed answer that has been repeatedly proven to work is against lemmy.world's TOS to discuss.

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