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Complete bullshit. This whole, "no he was thanking and giving his heart to the crowd" excuse is such bullshit. There are so many ways to make that gesture.
The amount of hoops people will jump through to cover it up is mind-blowing. When it looks like a salute, when a country says it's a salute, and when Nazis recognize it as a salute, yes, it's a fucking salute.
Hey there, everyone. I'm the center. Go check my history, you'll be disgusted if you're far left.
Yeah... this was not okay. We know what this is in the "center". Fuck Elon Musk.
Yeah, I see John Cleese's Advantages of Extremism skit is still as relevant as ever...
I do believe a lot of people -- and the mainstream news media here in the states -- want to believe this is normal and this is fine the way Trump kept wishing on camera COVID-19 was going to just go away on its own, even as CDC discovered enough instances to declare it has infected the community (e.g. the American public) and could no longer be contained via specific isolation.
They are so desperate to for things to be normal that they want to justify the outrageousness as within the threshold of normal any way they can.
I'm not sure, but Trump behaves as if he likes pushing that envelope, much the way he forced Robert Kennedy Jr. to eat McDonalds to assert dominance.
Center here, it was a full blown nazi salute and every other european centrist I know also know it was a full blown nazi salute. We dont want to assosciate with the people saying it wasn't a nazi salute, they are either insanely stupid or undercover nazis.
Center-right, previously strong (not far) right. That was clearly two Nazi salutes done by a drugged out oligarch. There's no way around it.
As a European center, does that put you between the radical far left (community based government, right to eat, right to housing, right to education, medical care for all, meeting and exceeding the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, etc.) and the radical far right (Monarchy, Totalitarian Oligarchy, the thing that Trump and Musk want, and will have to fight for)?
Or is it centrist as in between Neoliberal and MAGA?
The reason I ask is because here in the states Centrist means the latter, e.g. people who still hate the homeless and expect immigrants to go through (nonexistent for most) legal channels.
It puts us at free education including university, free healthcare, shorter work week and days, human rights, right to self govern, limits to make housing affordable, electricity affordable, not to pollute, you know all the shit that we have and want to keep. Leaning left or right mostly means how you want the money for all that to come from and questions like how to deal with immigration. I personally believe the way to utopia is through making free specialized or higher education possible for even those who have nothing as educated population doesn't elect stupid ass parties, is wealthy and pays more taxes to support the society.
extreme left wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society extreme right wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society
I know you are being downvoted but I feel similar for the most part, I do find that not all countries versions of the left-centre-right divide marry up to each other and even the terminologies can get confusing. e.g in UK we have Liberal Democrats who are the only Centre party but the word Liberal in there can cause confusion for others. In Scotland we have free education including all the way through to degrees at universities etc thought that was started by the left wing government, the centre party wants to keep it as does the right wing.
I cant be upset about downvoting. Americans have to deal with it, not my problem. And they will get third and fourth term if they keep downvoting people who don't self identify as extreme left or view violence as a solution. Those "eat the rich" folk have been fed propaganda material on the silver platter and all they do is alienate popular support they need for a functional society even further. Fuck them then.
If it's any consolation, in Australia that'd make you far-left.
When we say Mangione the 1%, we mean all of them.
I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.
If I don't survive, tell my wife hello.
Multiple accidents in a row. Accidentally doing the same thing multiple times with a smile on your face. Enthusiastically making a mistake, repeating it, and not commenting about the mistake.
These are all examples of how people act when they make mistakes.
Also accidentally following a ton of Nazi accounts on Twitter and replying 'interesting!' or 'you're absolutely right!' whenever those accounts blame the Jews/globalists/immigrants for anything.
Also saying the afd was the way to save Germany
We need to stop using the word 'accident'. Accident my hole, he wanted to see if he could get away with it. So far he has.
Your scale is way off, the whole scale should be between right of centre and far right
What exactly is the "context" for doing a full-on nazi salute? Other than to show everyone that you're a nazi?
It's right out of Trump's playbook. You do something outrageous and evil, with just a smidgen of deniability.. it gets them attention. That's what they crave, to lead the news cycle, to be hated by the left but maintain enough deniability that the center and right will still be on your side. This is Trump 101.
That is the fascist playbook. Testing the water to see what you can get away with now while normalising new levels of evil.
Only valid for the American political.
All my friends here in Europe, up to and including centre right, are the far left wojak in this meme
European here. Our centrists would be considered left by americans and not a single one I know thinks it wasn't a nazi salute who wasnt a right winger nut job.
A lot of people defending Elon but I still haven't seen Elon defend Elon. Concerning.
I feel like "noo it wasn't a Nazi salute, or uh, it wasn't intentional" is more of a "right of center" response instead of a "center" response, and "Elon Musk just did a Nazi salute on live TV" is closer to center, but otherwise this seems accurate.
Maybe the Overton window has shifted so far right that I'm wrong about that, though.