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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure Elon musk looks up to Von Braun for all the wrong reasons.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

At least Von Braun actually did his own sciencing instead of, I dunno, purchasing a "founder" title after the fact. Still a nazi tho.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

[Edit: Also, I want to say, For All Mankind is a great show to watch, its an alt-history on what if the USSR won the race to the moon, and the space race never ended. In the show, Von Braun was director of NASA, and it's from this tv series that I learn of Von Braun (and of Tom Lehrer).]

[–] mercano@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I first learned about Von Braun from the movie October Sky, where four boys in a 1950’s coal mining town start building model rockets; they look up to NASA’s chief rocket engineer.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's kinda weird to read from people they learned about von Braun in movies first when he was part of history lessons in my school.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the song!

TIL

To make this song even more spot on, Lehrer used eight bars from the well-known German national anthem "Das Lied der Deutschen" as a song intro :-)

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Show sucks from season 2 onwards. Ridiculous and unbelievable drama of unstable personalities

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yea, I kinda fast-forward and skip the personal drama, I just want to know what happens in the universe.

I hate part where...

Season 3 SpoilersNorth Korea gets someone to Mars 🤣

They should've just put China and it'd be much better

Like I just mentally replace any thing "North Korea" with China and its much more realistic.

But like, its all fiction, gotta maintain the suspension of disbelief I guess... 🤷‍♂️

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I couldn't bear the cringe anymore when the

season 3 spoilersstep-mom-fetish son of Gordo turns into an outright psychopath and starts ruining basically everything.

I ended up stopping it in season 2 because it wasn't doing anything cool with the alt history, but I think that would have made me quit again.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For those interested in learning about Operation Paperclip:

Although he officially sanctioned the operation, President Harry Truman forbade the agency from recruiting any Nazi members or active Nazi supporters. Nevertheless, officials within the JIOA and Office of Strategic Services (OSS)—the forerunner to the CIA—bypassed this directive by eliminating or whitewashing incriminating evidence of possible war crimes from the scientists’ records, believing their intelligence to be crucial to the country’s postwar efforts.

Although defenders of the clandestine operation argue that the balance of power could have easily shifted to the Soviet Union during the Cold War if these Nazi scientists were not brought to the United States, opponents point to the ethical cost of ignoring their abhorrent war crimes without punishment or accountability.^[[1] https://www.history.com/news/what-was-operation-paperclip]


I just posted a video of Annie Jacobsen talking about Nuclear War, she also wrote a book about Operation Paperclip.^[[2] https://lemmy.world/post/24646542]

In the days and weeks after Germany’s surrender, American troops combed the European countryside in search of hidden caches of weaponry to collect. They came across facets of the Nazi war machine that the top brass were shocked to see, writer Annie Jacobsen told NPR’s All Things Considered in 2014. Jacobson wrote about both the mission and the scientists in her book, Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program That Brought Nazi Scientists To America.

“One example was they had no idea that Hitler had created this whole arsenal of nerve agents,” Jacobsen says. “They had no idea that Hitler was working on a bubonic plague weapon. That is really where Paperclip began, which was suddenly the Pentagon realizing, ‘Wait a minute, we need these weapons for ourselves.’"^[[3] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-us-government-brought-nazi-scientists-america-after-world-war-ii-180961110/]

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Operation Paperclip was publicized, because it's easy to pretend they were all just apolitical scientists.

Operation Bloodstone was not, because you can't twist sending nazi officers to facilitate torture and mass killings in South America and Eastern Europe into anything but what it was.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the information about Operation Bloodstone!

[–] Apeman42@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Wernher von Brown-noser

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Every single time this gets mentioned, I feel a need to mention the great Tom Lehrer.

We all burn together when we burn

[–] ReplicantBatty@lemmy.one 3 points 1 week ago

We will all fry together when we fry