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[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 14 points 5 days ago (5 children)

China has a huge advantage in AI models because of how lax they are on intellectual property rights. US companies are fighting over API licensing costs, while china is just going to scrape everything and use it for free.

The US has a lead now, but I don't think they can maintain it without giving up on ethical training. Then again it may not matter if the US models are ethical if everyone will eventually just uses the superior unethically trained chinese models instead.

[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The US companies already scraped the data while they could. If anything, data scraping is far far more difficult now for everyone due to technical reasons.

Most of the new models are trained on synthetic data or higher quality of data or with RLHF. The reason deepseek is able to perform is likely because LLMs are very very new things, there are many low hanging fruits. Its no longer just about the data we already hit that limit for quite some time.

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[–] Sumocat@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

“Earlier this week, DeepSeek unveiled its R1 model, which, the startup claims, meets, if not exceeds, performance from OpenAI’s o1 model released last year. (o1 is designed to tackle reasoning and math problems.)” — Oh, so China built their for math and we built ours for garbage. Interesting approach.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Building garbage and convincing people it is absolutely necessary to pay someone for it is the American way.

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[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It kinda sucks it is very repetitive if you use it to craft a story

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