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[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 21 hours ago

My wife is wears a .45 carat moissanite on her engagement ring. The stone cost 80 euros three years ago.

[–] knexcar@lemmy.world 76 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Thank goodness, maybe I’ll finally be able to buy a diamond pickaxe for what few emeralds I have. I’ve been having to use stone tools in this economy and I’d really like some obsidian for a nether portal.

if you want to go to hell, just wait.

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[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

26% down from a wildly inflated peak isn’t all that earth shattering tbh.

However the growth in popularity and price drop with synthetic diamonds - that’s what’s newsworthy here.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

In the land of ever increasing red line, any stagnation is bad, any drop is catastrophic.

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[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Bottom falls out on commodity made artifically rare through imperailism and corruption. Is this the part where I'm supposed to feel bad for De Beers?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, diamonds are indeed rare on earth. But what made diamond price come crashing is because we now managed to synthesise the diamonds. These "fake" diamonds flooded the market. This is good news so that we don't have to rely on exploitative extraction of the mineral.

[–] TurtleSoup@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 days ago

Also because newer generations just aren't sold on diamonds being a luxury item anymore. Your average Joe just isn't paying their rent or more on a diamond engagement/wedding ring like they used to because, well, that's their rent payment or mortgage for something that's gonna lose value the second they walk out of the store.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 3 days ago

They're not especially rare, not even gem-quality ones. For several generations, almost every married woman in a western country had a diamond on her finger of some size. They found plenty of them to serve that market. The mines created artificial scarcity by colluding together.

If lab grown had never happened, diamond mines might not have been able to serve industrial customers. Industrial customers don't care how it looks as long as it cuts, and so lab grown has been good enough for decades. Thus, you can get a two-pack 4.5 inch diamond angle grinder wheel at Home Depot for around twenty bucks.

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[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 days ago

Good. Hope the whole industry goes bust.

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.world 158 points 4 days ago

Good. Fuck rich people.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I respect jewelers and stonesetters as an art, but the rock itself has negative value in my eyes.

[–] sploosh@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago (4 children)

There's nothing wrong with orderly carbon. There's more than a few things wrong with Debeers

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[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The rock is quite useful as an industrial tool. It's when you cut it in to a fancy shape and wear it that it's pretty useless.

We use diamonds to test the hardness of materials, grind really hard things smaller, orient and locate specialized cutting tools, and cut through really hard things. Hell we sell garnet by the barrel to help cut through regular materials. Orderly carbon or, in many cases orderly aluminum oxide, is something we need a lot of. The price going down on those is actually good for manufacturing.

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[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 days ago

I'd buy more diamonds, but I spent all my money on avocado toast.

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 4 days ago

Finally, rocks might be worth what rocks are worth.

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 128 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Lab-grown rocks

When I was getting married a few years ago, I remember thinking fuck real diamonds lab-grown are literally the same thing. I remember getting some push back from some weirdos about how "real" diamonds are some how better or how people will think I'm a cheapskate or how people will feel bad for my wife...

Well, fast forward a few years and literally nobody cares, thinks about, or has said anything negative about my wife's ring. We are both 1000000% happy and satisfied with the decision to buy lab grown.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago (5 children)

We said fuck diamonds entirely, even lab grown, and even had to go out of our way to find something that didnt have diamonds on it somehow

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 40 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Fucking noice, dude. 👏 Honestly, yeah, why even diamonds. They brainwashed us good.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 45 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Women love diamonds for their wide range of industrial applications.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 32 points 4 days ago (5 children)

When it's time for children I recommend lab grown as well!

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[–] captain_coldcake@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I bet there still over priced.

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

No, I bet they are.

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 53 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

i never understood why a mined diamond has a bigger value than an artificially made one when the only difference is the suffering of the workers. ppl who like diamonds are stupid.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The suffering is the point

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (4 children)

There is this idea that seems to be really pervasive that natural is always better. And it's not true so often. A common example I like to give is that natural almond extract contains cyanide and artificial almond extract does not. No, it isn't enough cyanide to kill you, but I would say no cyanide is better than some cyanide.

And a lot of those "natural is always better" people would happily take fentanyl over willow bark if they were in agony.

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[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Same reason diamonds are valued in the first place. Marketing campaigns tricking the gullible majority and most of the rest conforming to not stand out and cause issues for themselves.

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[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 83 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Diamonds are worthless outside of industrial uses.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I disagree. They ARE pretty. Just not as pretty as a rose or a sunset and yeah best used as industrial tooling.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (8 children)

I would rate them above roses personally. Below a good sunset though; nearly nothing manmade beats those

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[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The same can be said for precious metals as well except precious metals can't be manufactured. Their natural scarcity gives them some value beyond their utility.

Diamonds however are not scarce.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fucking young people and their... lack of money!

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[–] Loce@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago (4 children)

You know, it must be that food and rent are a bit higher priority than the pressure stones... especially when more and more people cant afford those... food and rent i mean.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 41 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Artificially expensive shiny rocks less valuable than advertised.

Fun fact, reputable pawn shops don't pay for gemstones because they're effectively worthless. They only pay for previous metals. If you sell a wedding ring they'll only pay you what the metals are worth.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not really. They will pay you as little as they can get away with. Often that's the value of the metals.

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

Paying overprice for a lump of carbon is insane.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago

Fuck De Beers.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 52 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Prices are so bad that De Beers is for sale?! Wild.

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[–] Emotional_Series7814@kbin.melroy.org 43 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Geoffrey Farrow at Raphael, a jeweller on the other side of the street, can only just bring himself to sell lab-grown diamonds. “They are synthetic,” he said. “Lab-grown sounds exotic, but it’s created – they make it by the buckets. There’s no history to it. The price is going to go down further and further.”

I find that a very interesting perspective. I prefer the idea of something we made with human ingenuity as opposed to some thing you dug out of the dirt, probably with a shoddily-hidden special history of slavery and tears, and before that, just sitting in the ground like a bunch of other boring things. The history of a lab-grown is entirely mine and my hypothetical partner's to create.

If I was a diamond person anyways. I'd be more worried about losing the expensive ring somehow and worrying over it, and would much rather buy the cheapest thing that can still socially function as "look, I am married, don't hit on me!" without having to wear some ugly shirt that says that. Ideally both me and my hypothetical partner would just forgo expensive rings (and don't get me wrong, I'm adamantly not a T-shirt and jeans person, I like to dress up, I have just never been a ring person) and spend it on something else we would both like.

For those who do not share my opinions on wedding rings, which is valid, I am also glad to hear lab-grown prices are down so people can still get that ring they love without breaking the bank and without supporting De Beers.

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[–] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

My mother was always bitter that an anniversary ring my father gave her turned out to be synthetic, but I think back in the 80s lab grown diamonds went cloudy after a while.

She could also have been complaining about anything and Everything my father had done 24/7 once the separation and inevitable divorce were in effect.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

The longer I live, the clearer I see that the beliefs of my youth were just capitalist lies.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I'd like to see new uses for diamonds that take advantage of their material properties. For example, the thermal conductivity of diamonds is very high.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 3 days ago

Diamond thermal paste is out there. It's okay, but like most thermal paste (besides liquid metal, which has its own issues), it doesn't give extraordinary results over anything else. People tend to really overthink thermal paste; it's going to give you maybe 4 extra degrees C, and that's already pushing it.

Graphene is an even better thermal conductor, and heat pipes are tons better than either. There's some work out there on enhancing heat pipes with graphene.

[–] TurtleSoup@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago

Industrial diamonds have always been on the cheap and that industry is far removed from the jewelry/gem industry, in fact a large majority of diamonds that are mined aren't gem grade, they're industrial grade. It's been growing and advancing despite the jewelry/gem market starting to fall.

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[–] isles@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago

Now this is my kind of uplifting news!

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