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[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

isn't it kinda dumb to have coding exams that aren't open book? if you don't understand the material, on a well-designed test you'll run out of time even with access to the entire internet

when in the hell would you ever be coding IRL without access to language documentation and the internet? isn't the point of a class to prepare you for actual coding you'll be doing in the future?

disclaimer did not major in CS. but did have a lot of open book tests—failed when I should have failed because I didn't study enough, and passed when I should have passed because the familiarity with the material is what allows you to find your references fast enough to complete the test

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Assignments involved actual coding but exams were generally pen and paper when I got my degree. If a question involved coding, they were just looking for a general understanding and didn't nitpick syntax. The "language" used was more of a c++-like pseudocode than any real specific language.

ChatGPT could probably do well on such exams because making up functions is fair game, as long as it doesn't trivialize the question and demonstrates an overall understanding.

[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I mean, I don't know how to code but I imagine it's the same as with other subjects. like not being able to use a calculator during some math tests. The point of the examination is for you to demonstrate you know and understand the concepts. It's not for you to be tested in the same way you would be in the real world.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Most of my CS exams in more advanced classes were take home. Well before the internet though. They were some of the best finals I ever took.

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[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 30 points 1 week ago

Bro just sneak to the bathroom and use chatgpt on your phone like everyone else does

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

pay for school

do anything to avoid actually learning

Why tho?

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 week ago

Open the browser in one VM. Open chatgpt in another VM.

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Now imagine how it'll feel in interviews

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Any competent modern IDE or compiler will help you find syntax mistakes. Knowing the concepts is way more important.

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He should be grateful. I hear programming interviews are pretty similar, as in the employer provides the code, and will pretty much watch you work it in some cases. Rather be embarrassed now than interview time. I'm honestly impressed he went the entire time memorizing the code enough to be able to explain it, and picked up nada.

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 8 points 1 week ago

I'm honestly impressed he went the entire time memorizing the code enough to be able to explain it, and picked up nada.

Or he asked the LLM to summarise it and memorised that.

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[–] GarlicToast@programming.dev 15 points 1 week ago

Been a TA when chatGPT was released. Most students shot their own foot this way before we figured what was happening. Grades went from bell shaped to U shaped. A few students got 85+, the rest failed, it was brutal. Thought I failed my students horribly before I found out it was happening in all classes.

If you actually stuck in such a situation, solve as many problems as you can. An approach that will work for most people:

  1. Try to solve
  2. Fail
  3. Take a peek, understand your failure. If the peek didn't include full solution, go back to step 1. Else continue to step 4.
  4. Move to the next question and go back to step 1.

Make sure to skip questions if they are too easy. Evey 4~ hours take a 20 minutes nap (not longer than 25 minutes). If you actually manage to solve enough problems to pass, go to sleep, 4.5 hours or a longer multiplier of 1.5 hours.

After the exam go back and solve all homework yourself. DO NOT cram it, spread it or you will retain nothing long term.

Good luck.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unless they're being physically watched or had their phone sequestered away, they could just pull it up on a phone browser and type it out into the computer. But if they want to be a programmer they really should learn how to code.

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[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

run it in a vm

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