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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (8 children)
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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Meta has open sourced every single one of their llms. They essentially gave birth to the whole open llm scene.

If they start losing all these lawsuits, the whole scene dies and all those nifty models and their fine-tunes get removed from huggingface, to be repackaged and sold to us with a subscription fee. All the other domestic open source players will close down.

The copyright crew aren't the good guys here, even if it's spearheaded by Sarah Silverman and Meta has traditionally played the part of the villain.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Meta stole from everyone, including those that struggle to make ends meet, so it doesn’t matter that they gave you back some of it. Any moral qualms should evaporate when you consider that they did it to create shareholder value and the rest is philanthropy (aka pretend tax). As a socialist I believe that man is owed for his work and you can’t take from him even though technology makes it so easy.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

As a socialist I believe intellectual property is a falsehood and technological advancement should be for the public good. Open source LLMs are for the public good.

Given the options between having open source LLMs and the US Govt banning non-corpo non-proprietary LLMs and giving a free pass to people like Musk and Altman and Zucc to monopolize, I happily pick the former.

You're delusional if you think they will pay anyone, the only way zucc will pay is with a guillotine.

Corpos will make inter-platform deals that'll simply make all online data licensable for the right price and enrich each other so you can't avoid it while still actually being a career creative, but price out academic researchers and the public sector so that all fruits of it stay behind closed R&D doors and be free of ethics etc.

Continuing in your role as a useful idiot, you'll also most likely also foot the bill for it via subsidies from your taxes to "develop the AI sector" in some anti-China dick measuring contest by the US.

You will then be sold this data back via proprietary chat bots via a monthly subscription and you better pay up because once it gets really good, it will become mandatory to use for just about any job, leaving you with no choice.

Or you can support FOSS LLMs.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I support FOSS LLMs, but which actually exist? Which LLMs have open-sourced all their training data?

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[–] misk@sopuli.xyz -4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You’re confusing self entitlement to stuff with the left.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Lolwut? Public good is self-entitlement? Go read a fucking book. Communists are not pro-copyright, especially not when it only benefits the giant corpos.

Another day, another entitled artoid larping as progressive blocked.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz -2 points 15 hours ago

That must have touched a sensitive spot lol.

Lieber Genosse, der Hype um Affirming Incompetence (AI) ist der dieser Zeit die höchste Ausdruck der Entfremdung der Menschen von sich selbst, Zeugnis des Begehrens nach und Voraussetzung also der weitergehenden Fetischisierung seines Zugriffs auf Welt. Wie jedoch Bernard Stiegler so schön bemerkte: Kein Savoir-vivre ohne Savoir-faire! Dies seien die unabdingbaren Bedingungen für die Befreiung der Menschheit aus den sich selbst angelegten Ketten zur Errichtung einer geschwisterlichen Ordnung!

(now have fun w/ an LLM's attempt of "advancement"!)

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Calling property labor, doesn't make you a socialist.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz -2 points 15 hours ago (13 children)

You’re confusing libleft with left.

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't give me that slop. No one except the biggest names are getting a dime out it once OpenAI buys up all the data and kills off their competition. It's also highly transformative, which used to be perfectly legal.

Copyright laws have been turned into a joke, only protecting big money and their interests.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Where is the source content then

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[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Nope. Get fucked

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[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Given the extent it should be considered criminal so $250k per offense and the higher ups who authorized the torrenting should get conspiracy charges at a minimum.

But this is America so they'll probably pay a small amount, for Meta, and a light slap on the wrist with a finger wagging.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago

you are being optimistic, it's likely going to be considered "fair use" and then be business as usual. Meta themselves have claimed that they aren't filing to dismiss because they believe they are on the legal side, due to the fact they aren't distributing the pirated content, only using it for training which is currently a massive grey area that hasen't been ruled as non-fair use

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[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Damn leeches

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