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[–] brianary@startrek.website 57 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

The moratorium is actually since 2000, but only since 2006 in its current form. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_use_restriction_technology

Thankfully, no country, much less any multinational corporation, would ever dare cross the UN's nonbinding, unenforceable moratorium. Can you imagine how stern the tone of the statement of condemnation would be, once it was worded such that a reasonable plurality of countries would agree to back it?

I’m sure it’s already been done. Just locked away until nothing more than strong concerns can be voiced by ineffective authorities.

There would totally be an open letter and dozens of people would sign it

[–] Juice@midwest.social 43 points 6 days ago

GMO skepticism or not, Monsanto is one of the most evil companies in the world and a perfect example of what makes the profit motive such an inefficient organizer of production and distribution

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 11 points 5 days ago

Whatever the case, fuck Monsanto; free the seed.

https://osseeds.org/

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 31 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Does anyone else feel like this entire post and most of the comments are coming straight from a Monsanto bot/shill factory?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago

You've never been on reddit? If someone mentions Monsanto anywhere, the thread gets flooded with shills. There are whole subreddits devoted to finding posts to shill.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago

You know that Lemmy has made it when the Monsanto shills from Reddit join.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (8 children)

They make more money suing farmers for accidentally growing patented crops from natural seed dispersal mechanisms.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

They make their money from royalty payments for GMO traits. It's up to 3x more profit than they get off the seed alone.

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm the guy on the left just because until for-profit corporations are reigned in I don't trust them with control of anything.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

also the 30 bagged lunches...

[–] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

What kind of monster steals 30 kids' lunches?

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, except the vast majority of seeds are infertile, meaning they can't be replanted, means the "good ol boys" can't survive.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 51 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Where the fuck do people come up with this shit?

No the "vast majority" of crops are not infertile. They are hybrids. Farmers buy the seeds because of a genetic phenomenon called heterosis AKA hybrid vigor. It takes expertise and a shit ton of money to make hybrid seed. If growers could get the same performance from saving their own seeds only an absolute dumbfuck would buy seeds from a seed company.

Now there are a few species that hybrids can only be made by taking advantage of mutants that have male sterility genes. The resulting hybrids are still fertile (produce viable female gametes) but need an outside source of pollen. Examples: onions, sunflowers and carrots.

The only "sterile" seed sold is seedless watermelon aka triploid seed. Seedless watermelons are only sold because the market demands it thanks to a push by the USDA after being created in Japan pre-WW2. The margins on seedless watermelon seed are often 40-50% less than hybrid diploid seed. And don't get me started on the research cost - 14-15 generations for a new female line versus 7-8 for seeded types.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Most hybrids do not produce fertile seeds. You can test it out if you want but it doesn't work. I used to work for a seed company. Beyond that, without fertilizer the soil itself is dead in the vast majority of farming land.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago

I have planted seeds from round up ready soy beans. They grew just fine for my needs, which wasn't farming. Farmers have also planted harvested hybrid seeds, Monsanto sues the ones they catch, because it's a contract violation for those that bought seeds.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Stop your bullshit.

Not only are they fertile, it is standard protocol to purchase competitors hybrid F1 seed and produce F2 seed in most species (except corn). Eventually plant breeders create inbreds (self-pollinating for 6+ generation's). These inbreds are the used to make new F1 hybrids. In Europe this is referred to as "plant breeders rights".

In corn they have to get a little bit more creative. Corn breeders have to keep distinct genetically distant breeding pools to maintain heterosis in their the resulting hybrids. They pull traits from a competitors hybrid utilizing backcross breeding into their breeding pools.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Source that research was banned since the 90s? All I'm aware of is that they aren't available commercially and sale and field testing of terminator seeds has been banned since the 00s.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 31 points 6 days ago

Yeah they weren't banned in the 90s. They were developed in the mid 90s with a patent filed in 1998. The UN Convention on Biological Diversity adopted a moratorium in 2000, recommending that governments block field testing and commercial use of terminator seeds, but didn't yet ban research. In 2006 they expanded the moratorium, explicitly prohibiting field trials and emphasizing risks to biodiversity and farmers rights.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Don't we already have enough real shit to worry about tho?

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