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It would be great to see this happen.
But I’m in the US, and in a low density suburb that’s borderline rural. I expect to be driving or using the car equivalent (robo taxies/buses that are actually good?) for the rest of my life. But I’ve set myself up to need to drive much less, which makes the driving itself more enjoyable.
Unfucking transportation is just so far down the list of things that this place needs to unfuck. Given recent history, I’ll be surprised if widespread modern efficient public transit even gets serious mainstream political discussion in my lifetime.
We don't need to fix your suburb's transportation if it becomes a ghost town.
If cheap high quality high density housing is built elsewhere, and property taxes are updated to reflect the actual infrastructural costs of those buildings to the government, very few people will want to live there.
Reading through these comments I'm realizing a lot of the people who are advocating for cars, because they offer greater flexibility and autonomy, aren't taking one critical thing into consideration: cars are useless without roads, and other necessary car infrastructure. You can't use a car to get from your home to your work without someone first paving a road between them. So, if we're going to have to build and maintain transportation infrastructure regardless, why not build infrastructure that will facilitate moving as many people from one place to another as efficiently as possible?
Bikes/buses use roads. won't get train station to your house.
yes, bikes use roads, but a bike doesn't need a 'bike stop' for you to be able to get off the bike.
Yes, but bikes don't need as much infrastructure, because bikes are typically used for shorter trips, and they are much smaller and lighter. Buses transport many more people than passenger cars, so they can transport more people using the same, or less, infrastructure.
I don't expect every house to have its own train stop, I expect people to live much more closely together. Cars really are a necessity when everyone is very spread out, but, again, the more spread out everyone is, the more infrastructure must be built and maintained. You think it would be ridiculous for every house to have its own train stop, but you don't think it's ridiculous for every house to have a road built to connect it to everything else, regardless of where that house is. The truth is, neither is cost effective or efficient.
Yes, but they don't need to accommodate parking
Not with that attitude! /s
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#livingcarfree
Someone was asking me what my dream car would be. I don't want a car. No no but if you had unlimited money what car would you buy? I wouldn't. No it doesn't cost you anything, you can have it for free! Yeah, I just don't want one.
If I HAD to choose a car and it could be anything... I would want an electric RV that's covered in solar panels. I don't care if I could only move it 10 miles a day, I would nomad my ass around just living the dream.
The irony being that you need unlimited money to be able to afford to live somewhere with proper public transportation, currently.
Fortunately I don't need that either. I live in a town in the UK and work remotely. I can buy everything I need by cycling to the shop and on the rare occasion I do need to go into the office (few times a year) I can cycle to the train station in a nearby town and then take the train to the city our office is in. A 2 hour commute isn't really an issue when its only a few times a year.
I live on an island town and we have busses every 15-30 minutes 👉👉
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I don't own or want a car. My housemate drives me to work. It's a 7 minute drive, 50 minutes by public transport. You need to put on 10 minute buses on multiple routes through every suburb 24hrs to make public transport a viable option for most people.
How much of that is highway?
The problem with transit is more about how cities are designed, zoned, and built. If we built cities for people instead of cars the vast majority of people in a city would likely have faster commutes on transit than driving a private vehicle.
Other things can help with this as well such as transit signal priority.
It's a 7 minute drive, i practically live in the same suburb. I also work evening shift. Are you going to put on a bus to everywhere for those 250 people who finish work at 230am? Must all of us work and live next door? I try to live as close as possible but you cant ask everyone to do that. A job change shouldnt mean you are required to move house. Its just not feasible for a city of millions to move every time they change jobs. And its not feasible to put on a bus service so me and a couple of others can get home at 230am.
You're right, it isn't feasible to always use a bus, thats why walking, cycling, trams, and light rail should also be used. The biggest problem is density. Low density makes it very difficult to effeciently service, yet many north american zoning and building codes make it very difficult to build any housing that isn't detached single family homes with minimum parking standards and set backs.
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Or design cities to have better bike lanes, light rail, etc.
It's really hard to imagine in most US cities, and it was hard to believe when I lived there.
I'm in a very commuting-friendly place now and the small towns having easy access to good public transport is just reality, and it feels fantastic.
I hope someday more places will adopt that type of design mentality
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