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If you asked me like 4-8 years ago, I felt kind of neutral about things. Now I don't feel an ounce bit patriotic or proud enough to even state that I'm an American.

Now, when I see an American flag around, I see it as a symbol of fascism, anti-intelluctialism, neo-nazism, and late-stage capitalism amongst other things. If there's an American flag flying on a car, I can totally see that person possessing at least one of those qualities.

I suppose it's good to be self aware and not blindly feel patriotic and ignoring that your country needs improvement.

I don't know what I'm expecting in the comments here but just thought I would get this off my chest.

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[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

I would advise you not to hate people you don’t know just because they fly a flag but your feelings are valid. Nationalism is a toxic ideology founded in violence and oppression at its very core.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Welcome to the club. People from other countries have these thoughts for some time already.

[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

As a Canadian, my favourite thing about the American flag is there isn't a lot of room for a 51st star on there. It would break the symmetry.

As to our maple leaf, I've had mixed feelings about it. As a kid, I thought it was cute and friendly as national flags go. Then later, watching assholes in Dodge Rams with the flag whipping around next to their Fuck Trudeau stickers during that aggravatingly endless trucker rally left me less enthused. But now with Trump threatening annexation, I've rediscovered its beauty!

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you think every time you see the US flag the person with it is a fascist get off the internet for a while. Most people are not nazis.

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[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago
[–] kn33@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm with you. I'm on vacation in a foreign country. There was a performance and part of it was asking the crowd where they were from. I felt no enthusiasm when the performer asked the crowd to cheer if they were from the USA. It felt shameful.

[–] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a fellow ashamed american, I feel you. I'd keep my mouth shut if anyone asked, if not out of shame, then out of (admittedly paranoid) self-preservation.

I hope the rest of your vacation has been/is great!

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Thank god one other country with an almost indistinguishable accent exists.

"Boy, those Americans sure are hosers, eh??"

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

You aren't unjustified in this. Politics has become a complex web, and it's difficult to grasp a singular feeling for the nation they pertain to, such as pride, especially when you politicize something like the flag. Even if your stance is on the other side of the spectrum, this is on America.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

"All men are created equal"

IS SLAVE STATE

Always has been

Look for the helpers

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

It also stands for showing sign of dementia these days.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

What you're feeling is rationality. Nationalism is an extension of basic primal instinct humans have developed to protect their tribe, but it is only detrimental to modern life.

[–] SamboT@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I dont think these meets my standards for ask lemmy. Just throwing that out there.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

You're right, rule 6. But fuck it.

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