Top vs bottom not left versus right. Don't let the oligarchs divide us.
this post was submitted on 12 Feb 2025
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How are those different?
They're very different.
There's only about 3k billionaires on Earth. There's only about 30k 100 million plus inaires on Earth.
These are sociopaths sucking humanity dry and ending the habitability of this planet permanently for ego, short term profit, and mega yachts.
Focus your ire on them. Focus your antagonism on them. Not their poor, deluded, propandized, gullible useful idiots that diefy them. Pity them.
The true enemies that must be dealt with only number in the hundreds of thousands relative to our 300 million. We know where to find them. They suck each other off in places like Wall Street and Malibu, orchestrating new and interesting ways to murder us to goose quarterly profits.
That's entirely leftist. How does "bottom" differ?
Given this is a primarily American sub, the audience must be played to.
The audience being Americans, they almosy entirely consider our slightly less fascist right wing party, the Democrats, to be our "left."
And if right/left is subjective to the spectrum of a nation, I guess the Neoliberals are since they aren't actively for death camps for minorities, which is technically left of the Republicans. Technically.
The United States had any conception of an economic left beaten out of it ever since FDR left office. Leftist policies are spoken about like voldemort as a result.
It makes more sense not to try to rehab a century of propaganda and call it up vs down. Plus Americans are poorly educated by design to be compliant laborers. Up vs down is a simpler concept, for simpler people, than left vs right.
The correct way is to judge people for what they activelly support, which also means not slimly implying that by not supporting one side people implicitly support the other - it's a perfectly valid position to not like any of the choices one has been presented with and thus chosing "None of the above" rather than A or B.
"If you're not with us you're against us" is just about the most typically Fascist (and, more in general, authoritarian) argument there is, so those doing it don't be surprised if, even if you're wearing a different mask than outright-Fascist and claiming you have the moral high ground, you're judged as somebody who thinks along the same lines as Fascists rather than along Democratic or Humanitarian lines.
Mind you, the quoted post is impeccably fair in that sense, but here in Lemmy there's a lot of people who, unlike that quote, stray beyond blaming people for their choices into parroting authoritarian logic that blames people for non-choices.
Do you know who coined the phrase If you're not with me you are against me? George Orwell. Even being 'neutral' means you passively support whatever bullshit the 'winner' wants to do. Inaction is as much a choice of action as doing something. If you have a fire extinguisher and there is a person literally on fire but you simply do nothing, you are as responsible for the person's horrific death as the person who set them on fire.
Saying 'I am completely neutral in this regard' when Elon Musk and his cronies are actively plundering the government and absolutely destroying the government's ability to investigate the crimes and misconduct that they are committing, as well as destroying the livelihoods and lives of millions of people, means you are fully accepting of what is going on, that it is normal and if they want to do it, they can go ahead.
Haha wait a minute.
Are you... Are you trying to justify your Uncommitted BoTh SiDeS bullshit?
- As though drinking the lesser poison is as bad as drinking the greater poison.
- As though this not only means you're opting for this, but you're contributing to the current that forces others to do the same by enabling the greater poison?
- As though just because you weren't necessarily the person to rat out Anne Frank, you also didn't lift finger to resist the Nazi oppression that makes one superior? Looking the other way and sitting on the couch?
Because if this is the case, then yes, there are people like me who utilize logic & ethics to demonstrate that said people are, indeed, a part of the problem and enabling of fascism.
"But I just cared about the economy (more than civil rights, democracy, the rule of law, or basic human decency.)"
For me, this is the most maddening comment about our situation. The economy has done better under democratic leadership since we’ve kept track.
It's worrying. This demonstrates (again) how people can be manipulated into supporting anything if tickled the right way.
I told a former friend of mine that I’d lost so much respect for her judgment of character that I couldn’t continue pretending not to look down on her and that it would be best if we stopped hanging out together.
No regrets.
All this, except change "Trump" to "literally any Republican in the last 50 years"
They've been dog whistling at racists to try to win elections their "kill the new deal and bring back feudalism" economic platform couldn't at least since Goldwater ran for the presidency
If they were capable of feeling shame, this might hurt them.
They're capable of feeling shame, just not for what you or I feel shame for.
The trick is to find out what hurts them.
You’ve got to make them an outcast to their in group.
So stupid shit like pointing out their hands are nicely manicured (if they are a man) that’s why they wear lifts and shoes too large for their feet.
Or for women you call them a man. That’s why they do it to every woman they hate.
Just observe them. They lay their cards right on the table.
The problem, of course, lies in striking the balance between speaking to them in their own terms, and reinforcing the values that many of their terms reflect.
I judge you for all that and also for your choice of political party because they represent all those things.
I know some very good people who voted for the incompetent, confused and weak Jabba-the-Orange. I judge them to be extremely stupid.
What amazingly good acts have they done to outweigh their support of such evil? The genocide in Gaza will be completed and climate change will get significantly worse.
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