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In the past week or so, the courts have begun to try to set some boundaries on the Musk–Miller–Trump administration’s early blitz of recklessness.

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This judicial review provides at least a small reprieve, hope that some of the administration’s most destructive impulses will be stopped. Or at least pared back. But even with the courts stepping up, and even with the reality of the administration’s ineptitude sinking in, this early Musk–Miller–Trump blitz remains very—maybe irreparably—damaging. Of course, there are a lot of moles to whack: the U.S. Agency for International Development and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau are being dismantled at an alarming rate, and the court system is not known for being nimble. The administration is betting, perhaps rightly, that at least some of its thoughtless, lawless efforts will slip through the cracks.

But even if the courts caught them all—and even if every court facing each lawless escapade said, “Nope, that’s not a thing”—still the entire process would be doing serious damage to our institutions. Think of it as someone spoofing your identity and going on a shopping spree with your credit cards. Even if the goon gets caught, you still have to go store by store to argue that the fraudulent purchase wasn’t legitimate and hope the debt is forgiven. And all the while, perhaps long after all the debts are dealt with, the torrent of uncertainty kills your credit score.

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 86 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (5 children)

To add more context - I’m a federal employee who has received these Fork emails -

They always come out at night, usually ~ 8-9 pm Eastern. One came out on a Sunday night. So you show up for work the next morning and that’s what’s waiting for you. I’m convinced this is done on purpose, to fuck with us.

As Vought (perfect Bond villain name, right?) said:

“Put Them In Trauma”

They literally want to traumatize us. They hate us because for decades we’ve been the only ones to tell them no. No, Elon, you can’t fuck all kinds of shit up when you launch a spaceship. No, Elon, you can’t make the stock market go haywire because you were high and tweeted something stupid. No, Elon, you can’t make a deal with the Pentagon and then run to Putin and do something completely different.

Elon does not like to be told no, but Elon can’t go 5 minutes without acting like the entitled dipshit that he is, so here we are.

And so, ~ 2.5 million civil servants - scientists, healthcare researchers, USAID, engineers, doctors, etc etc, will feel his wrath because he can’t be told no.

I took a big pay cut for this job because I valued job security over money after growing up in a household where jobs were not guaranteed and my parents struggled. Finally I got there after trying for years, and now Elon has to throw a shit fit.

But it’s not about me - I’ll be ok, but many others won’t. And we won’t get it back without a lot of work, work that I’m not sure that we, as a country, are going to be willing to do. The brain drain and decades of knowledge capture will be lost forever. And that’s by design - now we can all go work for contractors with fewer benefits and no job security and help Elon to make even more money.

One of the Fork emails taunted us by saying that we should be happy to leave our low productivity jobs in government so that we could go work high productivity jobs in the private sector. (So funny!) I know that’s bullshit, but also I’m old enough to not let 4chan incels trigger me that easily.

I do worry about my younger/newer coworkers though, whose heads are spinning. So, I try to help them. I’m educating them about the union and hopefully giving them the tools to get through this and deal with what comes after in the best way possible, whatever that may be.

So the next time you have to go to some annoying government place with a long line and you’re tired and hungry and frustrated, please try to remember that whoever you end up coming face to face with may have just gotten another email trolling them and telling them what a piece of shit they are and they should resign from their jobs. Just give them some grace. Be kind.

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[–] JakJak98@lemmy.world 34 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

It's crazy how bad it's going to get in the next few months. I work for a branch in the fed that's almost all remote work, about 10 out of 150 or so are in person including myself. I know I'll be safe, but my team? Section? Branch? All screwed. Then what's left, for me to be swallowed by a RIF? The deal was tempting because of the threat behind your inaction likely not mattering.

Hoping it cools off soon. It's hard to sleep lately.

It double sucks because I just got my spouse into a federal job (she got herself in, but I provided her resources, resume building, etc, of course.) But now since she's considered probationary and a temporary hire? She might be let go and swallowed into regret.

[–] credo@lemmy.world 73 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

Working as a federal employee comes with a set of golden handcuffs. You trade in a decent salary for retirement at the end. Firing people, or even asking them to leave for less than 10 months salary (maybe) is a huge Fuck You to those who have already sacrificed years of time. When you started your career- you couldn’t possibly predict something like a Trump train coming along to piss all over your life’s plans.

Who the fuck, with any level of competence, would ever want to apply for a federal position after seeing this shit show?

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Actually, a Trump type person has been predicted for the last 25 years. The rise of populism was evident clearly for all to see in 2007, and only got stronger.

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[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 53 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Who the fuck, with any level of competence, would ever want to apply for a federal position after seeing this shit show?

That's the point. Musk et. al. are foreign assets with orders to weaken NATO and the US at all costs. They are successfully accomplishing their orders. And once the US's economy has spiraled and collapsed, the USD will no longer be a trusted currency used for global trade. Then it's BRIC's time to shine. That's their dream, at least.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Musk is his own asset. He doesn't need to be a foreign one to fuck shit up, that's just a side business for him

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[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Do you know about Curtis Yarvin and the so-called "network state" plan they are in the late stages of realizing? I don't think BRICS is the endgame of the tech oligarchy.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 6 points 12 hours ago

How are they going to get past the fact that there are half a dozen currencies better position to subsume the dollar than any of theirs?

[–] loie@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Fools who think Daddy will be proud of them?

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[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 158 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

I'm a federal employee. You have no idea the stress my family and I have been dealing with since that motherfucker swore in.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 49 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

A relative of mine is a state employee... he had two reports that'd applied for transfer to the equivalent federal departments... and those two have now withdrawn their requests.

I wish you the best of luck and I thank you for your contribution to public well being.

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 36 points 14 hours ago

They wouldn't have been hired anyway. We had people who were supposed to start on Monday, January 27th. On Thursday the 23rd, their offers were rescinded and we were told they wouldn't be starting. I can only imagine. Of course they had already quit their previous job. Now what the fuck are they doing?

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 34 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

He didn't swear in. Elon just showed up.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

No, he bought his way in and probably holds dirt over Trump. This wasn't random chance.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 24 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Dirt? Guy is a convicted felon, says and does monstrous things openly, and denies things he just did on video the day before. He promoted a violent attack on his own government. He is dirt, he lives dirt. Unless it's a video of him literally beheading dozens of kittens, I can't imagine it would give him any leverage. Not even sure if that would either sadly.

The scariest thing is that even if Musk or Trump were to film and upload themselves ritualistically murdering kittens, their followers would call it fake AI. There'd be nothing anyone could do or say to convince them otherwise, short of them witnessing the slaughter in-person with their own eyes (and even that might not do it.)

There's no way that the release of so much generative AI last year, just before this election, was a coincidence. Fascists got this shiny new tool for denying reality, and now they're free to dismiss photos and videos without question or repercussion.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Trump's comment about Elon who "knows those computers very well" relating to voting machines makes me think that all the other crimes he did before are small fries comparitively to what Elon has on him/what Trump owes Elon.

Trump allowing himself to be openly cucked by Elon repeatedly is not something that he would just let happen without something big going on behind the scenes. Trump is a massive narcissist, and he is not afraid to tell people to fuck off normally if they steal his spotlight or slightly disagree with him. Just look at his last administration for plenty of examples.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

and probably holds dirt over Trump.

Possibly that Trump wasn't legally elected and Elmo rigged the election for him. It would explain Trump's servile attitude in the oval office earlier. Elmo's fucking kid basically told Trump to STFU.

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[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Everyone holds dirt on Trump. That man hasn't had a metaphorical shower in his life.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 15 points 14 hours ago

I don't live in the US, but I did want to just say that as an outsider I appreciate the effort you are putting in, especially given the hostile working environment.

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Good luck homie

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 122 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Not personally and directly, no, but broadly, yes - I do know the irreversible damage they're doing.

And here's the real key to it all - none of it is accidental. The damage is the point.

Their goal is actually very simple - it's to utterly destroy every aspect of the government that benefits the common people or inconveniences the wealthiest few, in order to convert it explicitly and entirely into a mechanism for protecting and expanding the privilege of the wealthiest few at the expense of everyone else.

[–] gt5@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

If they wanted to reduce spending in a meaningful way, they would at least look at the defense spending

[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 65 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

And they announced it and fully laid out a plan ahead of time. This should come as a surprise to no one who is literate.

[–] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 49 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It burns my ass that some folks actually bought the whole "Trump doesn't support Project 2025" bullshit. I cannot imagine being such a gullible, credulous moron.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 21 points 14 hours ago

Not just support it, but that he never even heard of it. (Then goes on to say that he doesn't agree with it lol)

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[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 40 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What's annoying is the US cable/social media incessantly jumps right to the Trump/Musk framing of things.

The US AID shutdown has led to food aid stuck at ports as populations that rely on it starve.

A report on Monday from Paul Martin, the USAid inspector general, found that close to half a billion dollars’ worth of food was rotting because of confusion surrounding Mr Trump’s freeze last month.

How many americans have heard about the consequences of Trump's actions? 1%? How many have heard about Elon's vague and baseless claims that US AID is a big fraud? It seems every Republican I know has heard that.

[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 17 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The answer, of course, is for the remaining USAID staff to just ignore conflicting instructions and just give the food away. Federal workers need to understand that the job they have is not secure whether they obey or not.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Is anyone impressed at just how fast they destroyed the government? Almost as if Elon had been given illegal access to the various parts of the government before Trump purchased the seat of the president.

Hmmm I wonder how that could have happened.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Hitler dismantled democracy in 53 days and there are a lot of parallels.

https://www.alternet.org/hitler-democracy/

We're coming up to 3 weeks with Trump, and they've taken a wrecking ball to a lot of government norms, including gutting any department that they think might threaten them. If history is an indicator (and it absolutely is) you can expect him to start targeting attacks against political opponents soon.

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Why would you be impressed? The US is a horribly outdated mess of institutions from which many are still built on the logic of the 18th century slaving owning white men being "the people" of the constitution.

Elections are still on Tuesdays because the plantation owners and their posses are supposed to be in church on Sunday and travel to the polling station on Monday. Most proper Democracies hold elections on Sundays, so people dont have to take time off work and depend on their superior to not bully them for exercising their Democratic rights.

FFS slavery is still legal in the US, as long as the slave has been convicted on some bullshit mandatory minimum sentences for Cops having planted a baggy of drugs on them.

The US is falling apart. It is inherently unstable and Trump is now accelerating the process, but it has been ongoing for much longer. Also Trump being elected not once but twice shows that he is on of the symptoms of the US falling apart, not the root cause of it.

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[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I was downplaying Project 2025 thinking “Musk is just going to write recommendations to President Trump but they still have to go thru Congress for cuts, what can he do?” I am still in awe he just swooped in, took over systems and is brute force closing down agencies quicker than the legal or congressional system can react. At this rate at the end of the first 90 days this Goverment will be radically different for the worse

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