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Our current economic systems require infinite growth in a finite system. In cellular biology, this is known as ‘cancer.’ (lemm.ee)

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[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 13 points 1 day ago

I'd like to share a revelation I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to another area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

Agent Smith

[–] troed@fedia.io 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nah. We have almost infinite energy to use from the Sun, and with enough energy other resources can easily be reused.

Add to that that the correlation between human wellbeing and energy usage is 1:1.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 points 6 hours ago

Oh its finite. And not the only finite resource we need.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The second law, as we now know, is quite clear to state
That entropy must increase and not dissipate
Creationists always try to use the second law
To disprove evolution, but their theory has a flaw
The second law is quite precise about where it applies
Only in a closed system must the entropy count rise
The earth's not a closed system, it's powered by the sun
So fuck the damn creationists, Doomsday get my gun

You down with Entropy?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Creationists always try to use the second law To disprove evolution

The fuck? How does that even work?

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 7 points 1 day ago

Living things are "entropy eaters"

they take in energy, reduce their own entropy, and poop out entropy to the environment. This is fine, and it doesn't violate any thermodynamics if you look at the whole picture.

So I think the point is that creationists take a myopic view and only look at the creature itself, where indeed it reduces its own entropy...but that's because the creationists are stupid and ignore, you know...everything else.

This is true not only for individual animals, but for evolution itself

more complexity in animals can be viewed as a decrease in entropy (again, this is only a problem if you ignore the rest of the universe).

Their argument is the same as saying that you can open your fridge door to cool off your room.

[–] troed@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What do you think you posted?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

We have almost infinite energy to use from the Sun

I think I posted an entirely jokey comment in reference to this specific line in your comment.

Thus:

The earth’s not a closed system, it’s powered by the sun

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

[Smith talking to Morpheus meme]