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Enough Musk Spam

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

https://dev.to/mdchaney/cobol-dates-may-20-1875-and-disinformation-5ggh

  1. There is no "date" data type in COBOL. Dates are stored however the programmer wants, but usually numeric character strings
  2. There's no "default" date, even if there were such a data type
  3. Even if there were a default, 1875 would be a bizarre choice

That (obviously) doesn't mean Elon Musk is right. It just means that this explanation of it being some magical COBOL epoch value is wrong. What's more likely is that the Social Security database is very old and has a lot of iffy data in it.

My guess is that it contains everybody who has ever had a social security record, including all the duplicates, all the typos, and everything else. At some point there were probably hundreds of thousands of records that were transcribed from paper into a computer, and it was considered safer to keep the iffy data and make a plan to deal with it later, vs. remove someone from the database who should legitimately be there.

I would also imagine that the systems that take the records out of the DB probably have filters in place that remove the (known) bad records before they're used.

[–] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 1 points 13 minutes ago

There is no "date" data type in COBOL, but there is in DB2, where the data would be saved, unless they are on an older VSE OS and data is still saved in VSAM files. Many still use 12/31/39 as a default max date even though OS/400 systems can handle up to year 9999 now (we still use 12/31/39 in testing where I work). It could be someone arbitrarily started using 1875, and others copied that.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

Isn't "embarrassing and dangerous" their whole strategy?

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 40 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I keep hearing that gen Z is actually pretty shit with understanding things outside GUIs.

And now I’m watching it actively destroy my country.

[–] Decq@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

I get this feeling too, but then again can we blame them? With all the locked down tech these days you really have to get out of your way to learn. And in most cases it works well enough. Whereas people growing up between lets say the 1970-2000s had to muck around with their tech to get it to work. Thus learning the intricacies while using it.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

How dare you question the wisdom of Big Balls and his peers

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Dangerous like an epileptic deer with 15 pairs of scissors taped to its head and body

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 1 day ago

Less of a generational problem, more of an educational one. Selfish, badly educated grifters that got pushed into high offices can be of any age. Musk also didn't recognize SQL when he looked at it, which is arguably even more funny.

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I’m gen z, I use Vim, and I voted for Kamala. Guess all those VS Code kids voted Trump.

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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 104 points 1 day ago (8 children)

The actual payment system stops payments automatically at age 115 and requires manual verification to restart. The database that is being reported is not even a report of who is getting paid.

This is just dramatic, public evidence of the arrogance and incompetence of DOGE from down to his racist younglings.

For a while, I thought they would at least be good at technology. This episode shows that even that is not true.

How he chose this elite group of chuckleheads is an eyebrow raiser. Other than racism, they seem to have no credentials at all. I mean, on brand for this administration I guess.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

They dont care they want to take all the ss money its that simple

[–] skysurfer@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Found the link to the SSA page describing the policy which took effect in 2015.

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[–] androidul@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

learn Cobol you uneducated teenagers

[–] sfbing@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

SUBTRACT DATE FROM YEAR GIVING AGE.

[–] Oneobi@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

It's all about WORKING STORAGE if you ask me.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The question is, how do you not know the age of a recipient? I feel like that's kinda required to know, no?

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

There are many people who were born in developing nations during times of war who do not know their exact age. They usually do have an idea of a range though.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 6 points 21 hours ago

Ah, well that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Jesus fucking christ the interns who have neither seen nor heard of COBOL have also not encountered the concept of a sentinel value used as a fallback/default.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)
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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 128 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Teenage programmers can understand legacy code. These ones didn't. Don't dis teen coders.

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