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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 173 points 1 day ago (7 children)

CIA used to kill presidents for less. Sometimes American ones too.

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[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 185 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Shows his worst self

His honest self

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[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For people curious, here's a complete video. I skimmed through it and it looks like it starts to really devolve a bit after 40 minutes.

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[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What a shit show...

This is the weakness of modern democracies... You, as Putin, can just wait for 4 years and there will maybe be an idiot in power, who.ruins everything done before.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's the whole paradox of tolerance, on a slightly different level.

A democratic society cannot allow non-democractic elements such as Trump to use the democratic process. By it's very nature. People will then say "but it's democracy, I should be able to choose whatever I want", yes, except choosing against democracy. Which is by definition not a choice that can be available.

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[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't know what it can be, but every ounce of me hates both of these men. I don't even want to call them men. I can't think of a possible way that they could suffer and feel the emotion of helplessness and sorrow. Whatever would happen, I don't think they'd care. They literally wouldn't care - because they have the mindset that they are invincible and can have whatever they want.

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 128 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Real Art of The Deal shit.

Absolute fucking masterclass in statesman-like diplomacy.

Genuinely a moment for all Americans to be proud of. Truly, exceptional.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 121 points 1 day ago (1 children)

god maga folk are the most unamerican beyond belief. The whole greatest generation is rolling over in their graves.

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[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 37 points 1 day ago (14 children)

As much as this makes me hate Donald Trump more than I already did, which was already more than I hate almost anyone, the really horrific thing is that a decent fraction of Americans will look at this and think Trump made the right decision, or at least a brave, or reasonable, decision.

[–] Brodysseus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The only brave man in that room was zelensky.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 44 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's been a while since I've gone through a whole day being proud of my US citizenship. Today was one of the most shameful.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just saw an ad for G20, a fiction where some terrorists kidnap all the leaders of the G20 at the meeting. But don't worry, the US president frees herself, and she's going full Liam Neeson to free everyone and get revenge.

LOL completely unbelievable

What would instead happen with the US president that is in charge now: if you free me I will help you with all your requests and I will personally execute the hostages

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 20 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I've heard shows like Madam Secretary and The West Wing be considered, akin to Star Trek, "competence porn."

The idea, the fantasy, that the people making the critical decisions that affect so many people are consulting experts, weighing heavy costs, consulting the law, and are kept up at night because they care so deeply for making the best call they can so they don't let down all those who depend on them. These characters have been role models for leadership for generations at this point.

And here we are, in a complete fever dream of a failed state: With a convicted felon and failed reality show TV personality, his foreign billionaire handler, and a weak spineless, loud little dweeb we all forgot was even vice... burning the last vestiges of peace and goodwill all around themselves, handing us and our allies over in a competition with other fascists to be the world's worst enemies, screaming at world leaders, destroying the environment out of spite, and heck, shilling beans from the oval office. Because why not.

Who's close enough to this to do something about it? Where are the competent ones who will regain control of the bridge from these terrorists? Yeah, where's our "G20 president"?

Well, I just remembered, we need to support people like Governor Janet Mills of Maine , and empower anyone any everyone who will stand up against this bullying.

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