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[–] MusketeerX@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For "official" Android products, maybe eventually.

In fact I can see a future where all computing/devices are locked down and become appliances, much like your tv or fridge.

You use them how you're "meant to". Sideloading? Programming? Tweaking? Why do you need to do that, are you a terrorist?

I hope we don't get to that world, but for a while now I've been thinking it looks like a possible outcome.

[–] Hopfgeist@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

a future where all computing/devices are locked down

And who would mandate and control such a requirement? And how would it be enforced? And why?

The only reason Apple is locked down as it is, is that Apple as the only manufacturer has absolute control over architecture, hardware and software.

Being open will always be a unique selling point by at least some competing companies, so there will continue to be some, absent a dictatorship rigorously controlling the manufacture and sale of such devices. But I think not even China has managed to accomplish that. Open devices are an absolute necessity if you want research and technological progress. And if the industry needs it, some of it will inevitably become available to citizens, too.

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[–] THE_STORM_BLADE@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nope, Android itself is not restrictive, it's the extra add-ons by vendors that cause restrictions.

[–] Quill0@lemmy.digitalfall.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is it.

I switched to Pixel phones ordered from Google. I can replace the software with whatever and not worry about breaking an eFuse warranty.

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If they are going to restrict sideloading, they'll probably restrict bootloader unlocking too. In the future, just make sure you research the bootloader unlockablility before buying a phone, because the next pixel might be locked.

[–] Quill0@lemmy.digitalfall.net 5 points 1 year ago

It's cellular providers who restrict bootloader locking generally. But you're right but that would go against the grain as the Pixel series are designed to be the flagship for AOSP

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

AOSP at the very least, but the average consumer doesn't really care much about Google Play Services or their Mainland China substitutes (obv cos great firewall).

[–] ScaNtuRd@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As long as Android remains open-source, someone will always provide an alternative version if Google restricts the "official" OS

[–] 6jarjar6@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What other phones besides pixel, has an open boot loader?

[–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago

I know at least some Xiaomi phones do. At least both of the ones I've had in the past were pretty painless to flash.

[–] ScaNtuRd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good question. I believe OnePlus (or at least they used to), but I'm not sure.

[–] Socket462@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am using an OnePlus 8T and can confirm that, even if the bootloader does not come unlocked by default, it is very easy to unlock and flash and can also very easily go back (backup is needed because locking back will wipe the phone). Done myself.

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[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I was surprised when some recent Android introduced the option for non-GPlay apps to auto-update on the background.

Maybe it's just so that Google can avoid be called a monopoly, same with their support of Firefox.

EU also has some regulations in mind to force these vendors to allow installation of other apps, so we'll see.

[–] Zephyr_0713@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I don't think so, since that is one of the factors that makes Android "unique" as a mobile operating system since it gives you the freedom to install the app you want, it is in the official store or not

(sorry for my English)

[–] 03ari@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

It won't be possible since even Apple is considering the possibility of sideloading apps because of EU's competition policy legislation. If Google does the same, i guess they'll just take a pretty good fine again

[–] mobley@ani.social 12 points 1 year ago

There will always be a fork of AOSP even if google ditches it the community will keep it up.

[–] GeraltvonNVIDIA@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

No. Because if your write Software for Android you rely on the Android Debug Bridge (in short ADB). So it is an necessary part for debugging your Software. And ADB always allows installing New Software.

[–] phario@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I used to root my Android phones. Then I stopped because all banking apps were disallowing launch if your phone was detected as having root.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People complain about this as if it's some sort of massive roadblock that nobody's solved yet.

Magisk Hide handles this and has been around for years. Venture around on the relevant XDA forum and SEARCH

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[–] catlover@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah i wish there was a reliable way to fix this, last time i checked there werent any. also those apps didnt even show up in play store (ex.: revolut)

[–] KennyBell@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm using revolut on a rooted device, no issues on 3 banking apps. Google Pay can be a hit or miss though, had it working a month ago but now it fails.

[–] Hopfgeist@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Rooting your phone and unlocking the bootloader are separate (and mostly independent) things. E.g., by default, LineageOS is not rooted, but it requires an unlocked bootloader to install. Now, rooting without an unlocked bootloader is harder.

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[–] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I think this is Google's long-term plan.

[–] ThaijsClan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Actually you may not be too far off. Noticed recently that users don't have access to their Android>OBB or Data folders anymore through the normal files app. I know there is a workaround but I haven't been able to get it to work. This may not affect downloading/installing apk's from other sources, but if you have to manually install the OBB/Data you cannot do that.

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Um I still can. You use a file explorer app (I use an app called ZArchiver) and find the directory, tap on it and there is a pop up telling you to grant it permission, then you will need to locate it using a android system file explorer, and once you find it, you can grant permission to access the directory to the app. I know its hard to describe using words, but I can record my screen and show it to you.

Edit: In android 13 the data and obb diectory aren't actually restricted to third party file explorers, only the sub-directories, like the files used by an app (those directories starting with "com.") are resteicted and you need to manually grant permission using the method I said. I can access data and obb just fine using ZArchiver.

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Solid Explorer has restored access to Android>obb and data folders since an update some time back fyi.

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[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

If you're talking about things like Google deprecating the two apps, then yes such things will continue. Google is slowly starting to sink (for whatever reason), and they are trying their hand at YouTube advertisements and Android.

But the source of Android is FOSS, and whilst Google does make up majority of the development efforts, if they were to close-source everything they would be causing massive ripples through the tech industry. I'm sure Samsung is going to try their (admittedly, very expensive) hand in court too if Google takes such a lick. So will Huawei and Xiaomi in the Chinese courts. Not to mention that Google benefits from the patches provided to Android from the FOSS community.

I don't think it's going to happen soon, if it does.

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