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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I mean you could even take the bottom number and leave them with the top number and they could still live in unimaginable luxury forever. Or just take the lot because fuck em lol.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I couldn't imagine spending $1 billion in my entire life, let alone 3-4.

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[–] painfulasterisk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

If they are self-made millionaires/billionaires as they claim, take everything they have/own and tell them to start the quest again, no glitches, DLC, or saved progress.

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sad day when "billionaires should pay taxes" is considered a far left position.

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tax billionaires until there are no more billionaires

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's really insane that we legally treat the tenth billion dollars at the same level as a working persons house or car.

Everything is legally just "property".

No, fuck that.

The law should protect the first million of every citizen with ferver. (and when we tackle wealth inequality, most people will have this level of wealth at the end of their working life. The fact that most currently don't is due to inequality. )

Up until 100 million, it should be taxed at a reasonable level. Because at some level, it's fair that people prefer watching Taylor Swift instead of me sing on a stage.

Above that it should be taxed heavily.

And above a billion, it should be just confiscated. As in, oopsie, our system malfunctioned, you weren't supposed to end up with more wealth than what a thousand normal people would save up after a whole lifetime of work, so we are taking it back.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago

At a billion you get a small plaque that says 'yay you won capitalism', they name a park bench after you and you replay from scratch.

[–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wealth taxes are stupid. That said, nobody needs multiple hundreds of billions of dollars.

The solution is to have regulations and laws in place that prevent them getting this large in the first place. The fact that Amazon and Google own 90% of the internet is absolutely fucked.

60% of middle class wealth is held in their property. Guess what get's taxed? Their property. Right now we have a wealth tax on the middle class who are carrying a very disproportionate tax load compared with the rich.

[–] drislands@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I agree, no one should be able to hold such an obscene amount of wealth. Right now they do, though. How do you propose this be remedied?

[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck the billionaires, tax them all by 100% of their income beyond 1 billion.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

None of these guys has income anywhere near a billion in yearly income. They have stock and other assets that are worth billions but it is not income per se. If anything they go to extreme lengths to minimize their income.

[–] cherryryu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

is there anyway to classify new/gained assets and tax that?

[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Ate they not taxed when they are bought and sold?

[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

See? that's another thing. Why is some income not considered income?

People who actually have to work ALWAYS have to pay taxes, but the parasites that gamble in the stock market get to keep all that money they won, and if they lose they get a bailout from the taxpayers.

There are billionaires out there that have become so narcissistic that they just say it outright. "I'm going to privatize the profits and socialize the losses"

[–] Peaty@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As of this point every wealth tax that has been implemented ends up getting abandoned because if how inefficient they are. It's like rent control, it sounds great on paper bu historically never works out like it was planned.

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[–] Chr0nos1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Only $4.6 Billion for Musk? I'm sure he'd appreciate that, since he paid $11Billion in 2021.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/10/investing/elon-musk-tesla-zero-tax-bill/index.html

[–] hark@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wealth taxes actually work, that's why the rich attack them so vehemently.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Wealth tax should absolutely be a priority. In my state, MA, we voted in a "millionaires tax". One thing it will cover is state wide free school lunch.

[–] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'd be willing to be taxed into oblivion if I knew it'd mean everyone else could lead full lives. And I make nothing.

Now imagine the good their excess wealth could do.

[–] IzzyData@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Billionaires shouldn't exist. Their fair share is more like 95%.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

As a temporarily embarrassed billionaire myself, I have reservations about this

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Here's the basic idea of what I'd think is fair

You have a basic rate for income below the 20th percentile of all incomes

Multiply that by 1.5 for income between that and the 40th percentile

Multiply that by 1.25 for income between that and the 60th percentile

Multiply that by 1.125 for income between that and the 80th percentile

Multiply that by 1.0625 for income between that and the 95th percentile

Multiply that by 1.03125 for income between that and the 99th percentile

Multiply that by 1.015625 for all income above the 99th percentile, with the additional caveat that people who top this bracket even once cannot hold public office, donate to political campaigns, or hire lobbyists and lobbying firms for ten years following them topping out.

Imagine something similar for taxes on units of housing owned, dividends earned, and so on and so forth.

The idea being that the highest rate can't be adjusted without significantly reducing the tax burden of the poorest, basically erasing the only way conservatives have been able to balance the books whenever they try that shit.

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