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[–] gearheart@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah.... It's like strapping bombs of civilians but giving the enemy the trigger.

Both sides are fucked up. No justifying one or the other.

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[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Using human shields makes you a war criminal. Attacking someone using human shields does not technically make you a war criminal, because it does not endanger civilians without furthering your "just" goal of killing that war criminal.

Please correct me if I am wrong. You still should consider if killing the war criminal is worth the cost and this does not mean civilians had it coming by any means.

[–] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Are you simply uninformed, or do you see all of the 50%-children population of Gaza as the war criminals here? Few Hamas terrorists using hospitals (still not believably proven) for various reasons and IDF bombing these critical service buildings for civilians, while hundreds of civilians are using them, is how come attacking the human-shield users only?

For clarity, no one is arguing against Israel retaliating against Hamas at this conflict. Hamas has proven themselves to be pretty clearly a terrorist organization in their acts, whatever their goals are. The whole world is calling them as such accordingly. What sane people argue here is that IDF has also clearly proven to be a terrorist organization, with a civilian killing scale of sheer efficiency of a regular army and the so called western humanitarian governments are turning s blind eye to it, or worse trying to pass it as something just.

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[–] S_204@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Geneva convention is pretty clear on this. The presence of civilians doesn't render certain points or areas immune from military operation.

Hamas knows exactly what they're doing and what the consequences are. Peace will come when Arabs love their children as much as they hate Jews.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That is true, but it also stipulates that while they remain military targets, that extreme measures must be taken to minimize civilian casualties.

So while you can still try to get the terrorists, you can't just bomb the entire thing, or fill the theatre with poison gas killing a ton of the civilians (as happened in Russia).

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