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Senators offer bill to block any U.S. president from leaving NATO (www.reuters.com)

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[-] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 98 points 3 years ago

I think any treaty should by default need approval by legislature for both entering and exiting the treaty, unless the legislature explicitly empowers the president to exit a particular treaty without legislative approval.

No country would trust the US if treaties could be potentially changed every 4 years by one person.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 81 points 3 years ago

We had a pretty good run relying on an expectation that there'd be a responsible, competent adult in the White House.

[-] hamster@kbin.social 31 points 3 years ago

We've had incompetent people in the White House, they just weren't also complete crooks.

[-] There1snospoon7491@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago

Or were far more accomplished at hiding their crookedness and knowing when not to be a public jackass.

[-] admiralteal@kbin.social 26 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Treaties specifically require approval in the Senate. It's in the Constitution.

A non-corrupt court system would not permit a President to enter or exit a treaty without Senate confirmation.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 48 points 3 years ago

I'm surprised all treaties aren't handled this way. We have such a high bar to approve them for a reason, it seems silly to not have a similarly high bar to leave them.

[-] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 years ago

I do understand why you would want to be able to exit fast. I think it makes sense for the individual country as a safety net in case whatever deal you've entered goes south.

...but having a system in place to ensure that the majority agrees with that decision is important.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 21 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Amy Coney Barrett proves that the US legislature can move fast whenever it wants to.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago

And now I'm picturing a Republican Congress and Presidency being voted out by the people, only to have the exiting Congress pass a "We Hereby Exit From All Treaties" bill, signed by the President before the changeover happens. All to leave the incoming Democratic Congress/President with a huge foreign relations mess to clean up.

[-] drturtle@lemmy.world 34 points 3 years ago

It has bipartisan support in the senate, but who knows what the republican-controlled house will do. This bill basically exists to prevent Trump or another republican president from fucking around with U.S. and global security.

[-] ShakyPerception@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago

I mean…. well done? Way to not allow anyone idiot completely fuck everything up.

[-] Igloojoe@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Definitely will stop any republican bought by Russia from trying to dismantle NATO.

Now whether this bill will actually pass..

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago

The fact that it allegedly has “strong bipartisan support” gives me cautious hope.

[-] Neato@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago

It's a bill that unilaterally gives the Legislature additional power at the expense of the Executive. Congress will probably approve it because they'd become more relevant.

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