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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It was night and day when he came in. The show went from mediocre and not what I wanted out of Trek prequel show to just outright bad with the Xindi arc, but then came back to be exactly the prequel I wanted. It even fixed earlier seasons with its 3 episode Kir'shara arc that explained why Enterprise Vulcans seemingly became antagonists that eschewed things like mind melds and other familiar aspects of their culture.

Then when they canceled it, they got rid of him and gave us a truly awful finalie that crapped on the show and everything Manno Coto built.

[–] original_reader@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Just skip the last episode. Terra Prime, the penultimate episode is the true ending.

The showrunners themselves admitted that the final episode was an insulting ending.

I don't see myself changing my position on that.

[–] oehm@midwest.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I watched enterprise for the first time last year and was surprised to have it grow on me so much because of some of the hate it gets. By the last season they really seemed to be getting their stride and it was a shame it got canceled then.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yep, me too. Watching S4 I was like "here we go ... just in time". Shame really.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 points 2 years ago

Yeah. It had good episodes, introduced the Romulans as the real villains they should have been, and showed how Earth wasn't at full Federation yet.

[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I still watch enterprise from time to time. Wished there was more. I'm not really getting into the new Trek, and I'm extremely not getting into paying for another streaming service, but that's a different story. Discovery and the constant crying was so annoying I decided to give up on the other stuff. It had really nice moments, but overall it was just meh.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Strange New Worlds is like Old Trek. Highly suggest it even if you have to sail the virtual seas to get it.

[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A pirate I was meant to be!
Trim the sails and roam the sea!

I'll check out a trailer. Thanks!

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It's closer to Old Trek. But in the last episode of S1

spoilerwhere they take original TOS dialog for parts and mix it with modern dialog - man you really see the difference. Love it or hate it, the TOS dialog feels a lot more martial and IMO fits way better with having ranks on a ship.

There's good stuff in it, but they also seem to really have a problem making any non-quippy character, to the extent that I actually think it affects characterization. To that end, Ortegas still

spoilerisn't that well fleshed out IMHO even with the last episode being 1/3 about her. I think earlier Trek played tricks to make characters feel more different, but those worked.

Spock is certainly "in between" The Cage and TOS, but I think they're going to have to re-do something like Kohlinar to explain his change in the last episode of SNW.

It's reasonably good, but significantly different too.

[–] transwarp@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I thought that point about the season finale was the whole point of the episode. Pike and his style weren't right for the situation. He was like a caricature of Picard without the tactical superiority to back it up.

It also might be another reason Enterprise was the ship kept out of the Klingon war.

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

I don't disagree, and I suppose captains get a LOT of leeway with how they run their ships. What I'm actually talking about is

spoilerthe part where Spock has the TOS lines being jarring.

I think in that case they let "easter eggs" for fans get in the way of coherently telling the story they wanted to tell. At least with your (and my) take -

spoilerhow do you get that Spock? It seems like the divergence would have left Spock more like he is now with Pikes leadership style, vs the apparent changes to TOS with Kirks style.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Your spoiler tags are not working correctly on my end, could be connect idk. But its just trying to resemble old trek. I don't think it is trying to be a 1 for 1. I'll take the delivery format over Discovery. We get episodes to focus on each character, we aren't constantly drained by chasing some seasonal baddie. Its nice.

[–] GCanuck@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I also suggest Strange New Worlds. It’s the best Trek since TNG (imo). There are certainly some silly parts and some episodes do lean a little more towards comedy then I’d like in my Trek, but even still. It’s good Trek.

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

It's certainly the best of the live action modern Treks. Lower Decks also works surprisingly well.