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What is negative voltage? (en.wikipedia.org)
submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

I am reading up on logic circuits, families and levels because it's fun. I have no formal education in physics, computing or electronics.

For power supplies, sometimes one of the supply rails is referred to as ground (abbreviated "GND") – positive and negative voltages are relative to the ground. In digital electronics, negative voltages are seldom present, and the ground nearly always is the lowest voltage level. In analog electronics (e.g. an audio power amplifier) the ground can be a voltage level between the most positive and most negative voltage level.

I know from previous reading, that electricity - at least when it comes to direct current, but perhaps even when it comes to AC? - has a way in ("line"?) and a way out ("neutral" or "ground"? - disregarding for a second the fact that ground also carries current in case of a ground fault).

Again, from previous reading, I know that we work computers by either supplying them voltage or not (or in some circuits a higher voltage and a lower voltage). In any case, it's a choice between one or the other, since that is what we are trying to represent: boolean true or false.

So, what is this "negative voltage"? Is this a figure of speech or can voltage actually have a negative value? The part from the article that I quoted above states in relativistic terms, that "the ground can be a voltage level between the most positive and most negative voltage level" (italic text by me), which makes me assume "yes". But if voltage is electromotive force, how can it be negative? I amusingly imagine a force "sucking" the current backwards. 🤭

Explain it to me as if I was five. 👶

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[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm not an expert, but I think I know what the deal is.

First off, the voltage of a single line has no meaning except relative to the voltage of another line. (Just like, say, "in motion" or "at rest" have no meaning except relative to a frame of reference. "At rest" relative to, say, the earth or the sun or the galactic center or car interior or whatever.) If you step on one rail of an electric rail line, nothing happens. You don't even feel anything. If you step on the other, similarly nothing. If you bridge both, you're gonna have a bad time</southpark skier voice>.

"Ground" isn't zero volts in any objective sense. And Vcc isn't 5 volts (or 3.3 volts or whatever) in isolation.

And in fact, it's only convention that ground is arbitrarily labeled "zero" and Vcc is 5 volts rather than Vcc being labeled zero and ground being labeled -5 volts. (Ok, it's a little more than just convention. The latter would be awkward in practice. But it would be consistent, and you could do all your circuit design that way, just like if you labeled the white keys on a piano "Z", "Y", "X"... instead of "A", "B", "C"... You'd just have to think differently about it to make it work.)

So, I think what's going on here, and we'll pretend "Vcc" is 5 volts (relative to ground) just for the sake of this example, is that basically:

  • The voltage differential between ground and Vcc is 5 volts.
  • The voltage differential between Vee and ground (and the order in which I list "Vee" and "ground" here is important) is 5 volts. (If I listed "ground" and "Vee" the other way around, it'd be -5 volts.)
  • The voltage differential between Vee and Vcc would be 10 volts.

So, for instance, if the device has some components that operate at 5 volts and some that operate on 10 volts (I dunno, let's say the CPU requires 5 volts, but the... I dunno, optical drive motor?... requires 10 volts), you can get 5 volts by using Vcc as the source and ground as the sink, and you could get 10 volts by using Vcc as the source and Vee as the sink.

That all make sense?

And to one of your specific questions:

Is this a figure of speech or can voltage actually have a negative value?

So, what qualifies as "negative" and what qualifies as "positive" is just convention. Just like what qualifies as the "north" end of a magnet and what's "south" is convention. (I guess "north" and "south" refer to which direction a magnet points when used as a compass, but then again which end of the Earth is "north" and which end is "south" is just linguistic convention as well.)

In the same way, what we label "positive" voltage and what we label "negative" is convention. However, we do have an established convention with voltage. (And with poles of a magnet.) Just because we "made up" what qualifies as "positive" or "negative" doesn't mean there's any disagreement on the topic. So unless you purposefully switch your language just to be contrary, you're not going to get funny looks or requests for clarification using the terms "positive" and "negative" for electrode voltages.

However, if line A has a lower voltage than B (and what's "lower" or "higher" is convention) we can say that the differential between B and A (again, order is important) is negative whereas the differential between A and B is positive.

The analogy between voltage and pressure only goes so far, but in this case I think it's helpful. If tank B has higher pressure than tank A, you can say the pressure differential between B and A is negative. Similarly, you could say that the air pressure differential between sea level and the peak of Mt. Everest is negative. (Though, with pressure, there is such a thing as "absolute zero". "Perfect vacuum" is technically a meaningful concept. I don't think there's any such thing as "absolute zero" for voltage. Only "differences" between voltages on different electrodes.)

[-] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

That made perfect sense in the sense that I interpret it as yes, "negative voltage" - here - is a sort of figure of speech. We (or the article or the electrical engineering community or the universe) is not trying to say that there are negative voltages. The article is just illustrating the common voltage ranges for ICs.

Did I understand you right? 😅

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[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

It means you have the equation backwards.

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