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[–] mynameisbob@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 hour ago
[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Defeating enemy air defense is not a state secret.

It just requires a technologically capable military with good ISR and healthly munition stockpiles.

Destroy radars, launch saturation attacks, and persistence.

Some specific weapons may have better, or worse, hit rates due to their technological capabilities, or limitations, but that's not what the strategy ultimately relies on.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What actually matters here is that the whole US military doctrine has become obsolete because of drones. It's not just that Iran can find and hit US targets, it's that they can do it very cheaply while US has to spend expensive and difficult to build interceptors which can't even hit these kinds of targets effectively. It's the economics of the whole thing that are defeating the US.

[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I understand the changing dynamics of war unleashed in Ukraine, I'm commenting on the subject of the article you posted.

The headline makes it sound like it was some mystery that had yet to be solved, or a problem that hadn't already been figured out.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I think if you read the actual article you'll see that the headline is justified. It explains the actual mechanics of what Iran did, and this shouldn't be trivialized. While the idea of what to do might not be that complicated, actually implementing it against an adversary like the US is not trivial.

[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I read the article and wasn't trivializing their accomplishment.

But that has nothing to do with the editorial choices of The Intercept and the misleading nature of that headline, which is what my comment was directed at.

It's the exact same strategy that has been used by both Ukraine and Russia for years now.

The only difference is that instead of America providing Ukraine their ISR, conducting BDAs, etc., it's China and/or Russia providing those intelligence services to the Iranians.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I don't really see the misleading part in the headline myself. While China and Russia undoubtedly help Iran, it seems that Iranians are perfectly capable to inflict massive damage on the empire using their own technical capabilities. While Ukraine is a western proxy entirely dependent on its western masters, Iran has its own deep technological and industrial base. It's worth remembering that it was Iran that originally did a technology transfer of their drone technology to Russia rather than the other way around.

[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

You keep misunderstanding me.

Iran is deploying the exact same anti-air defense strategies that were developed on the battlefield of Ukraine.

That is smart, they we're not trying to not reinvent the wheel.

But it also means that the headline is misleading as it was not them who developed the strategy, or "figured" it out.

It's just a bad headline, which I was calling attention to, but it's not something I would normally devote multiple comments to, so this is my last one.

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Can you put the text, please? I can't find on Internet Archive.

[–] albert@piefed.sysctl.io 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 hours ago

You don't have to brag

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

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