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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by Crumpled6273@lemmy.ca to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/68754751

There was a time I chose Firefox over the Chromium browser without a second thought. But nowadays, installing and opening Firefox seems like a time-consuming, very bloated experience.

Too many unnecessary features, promotions, sponsored links, and widgets are filled on the homepage. Firefox no longer allows deleting default search engines like google, perplexity, etc but can disable it. What kind of privacy feature is that? Also, all the data collection options are ticked by default. Users are needed to manually tweak it their own. Update after update instead of improving they make all the settings more complex, and there is a lot to set up after a fresh installation.

When I compare modern Firefox with 4–5 years behind Firefox, I feel like I am using browsers like Vivaldi or Opera instead of Firefox. Once we praised Firefox for its ram management in Linux but nowadays, it's bloat causes using more ram and not a lightweight option anymore. Seriously, Firefox must consider releasing a browser like Brave Origin (Firefox Origin or something).

Isn't anybody else frustrated with the new Firefox changes? If yes, what practical solutions exist? Debloat using any script or install any forks (no forks seem to be good; some are outdated, some are too much hardened, some are just not for daily browsing, etc.).

I'm just looking for a browser like Ungoogled Chromium but for Firefox (Unmozilla Firefox).

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[-] BaroqueW@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

So many websites don't seem to work on Firefox or Librewolf, always have to keep Chrome handy somewhere

[-] Crumpled6273@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

There is an extension called chrome mask on Firefox. It helps Firefox pretend to be Chrome on certain websites.

[-] orochi02@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yea few years ago but nowadays 99% of sites i visit are working well

[-] hikosan@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Absolutely agree on every point. I felt this for the last few years, not just with the latest updates. I haven't updated Firefox for months (a year?), and when I decided to do it after convincing my friend to switch to it because he said he couldn't find the option in settings I told him about, I was basically ~10 versions behind. So updating it and seeing the redesigned settings that looked less intuitive and completely unnecessary, I felt really frustrated.

There's a new browser in the making called Ladybird, I don't know if it's going to be available on Windows (they say the alpha is for Linux and macOS). Yeah, I am on Windows, sadly, and I don't plan on switching to Linux, yet. Mozilla was praised for being a non-profit "good guys", but they've been really annoying, perhaps trying to appeal to the mainstream. Truth is, the mainstream does NOT care about Firefox. You need to spend all your funds on marketing it, not making it uglier with each update.

[-] Vendetta@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

You are running a browser that's months out of date? 😐

[-] hikosan@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah. I have automatic updates disabled, I would have to download the new version in order to update it. I am using lots of software that is years "out of date". Because they are better. The newer they are, the more bloated they are. And good things break and get deprecated. I am still on Windows 10 and I can't be bothered switching to 11. If you think that jeopardizes my security, it really isn't. My PC isn't a web server that needs constant updates to keep the service secure; I maintain backups in case things go sideways.

[-] Vendetta@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

But it is not secured. You do you and I won't claim to know your full setup and threat model, but in 99% cases, no. There's no advantage to running out of date software in terms of security or privacy unless it's offline and air-gapped, and even then. For something like a web browser you absolutely want to keep it updated at all times. I would genuinely recommend reviewing the logic and this decision. If you don't trust the browser, use a different one. If you don't want W11, go Linux or Mac but choosing to run end-of-life software because you feel you are getting less bloatware is misinformed.

[-] dgriffith@aussie.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

I'm quite sick of my browsers auto-updating and adding stuff I don't need.

I'm pretty much at the point where I'm going to turn browser updates off. It's perfectly functional for me as is, and if I ever hear of some crippling browser security issue I'll consider its impact myself before thinking about updating.

[-] Crumpled6273@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Not updating the browser for any reason is not a solution; it is opening yourself up to the threats on the modern web. Please don't do it.

[-] jystfact@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 weeks ago

Can anybody tell if iceraven is still a good alternative?

[-] wotaku@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 weeks ago

Bad update cycle. Use ironfox or fennec on android. I prefer ironfox but it dies break a few things. Fennec is more relaxed.

[-] Crumpled6273@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

The developer directly mentions "No warranties or guarantees of security or updates or even stability!" in the GitHub page.

As of now, Firefox for Android supports many extensions by default. I believe this browser is not essential anymore in any sense and is not published in any known app stores, so users are required to update it manually.

[-] irotsoma@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 weeks ago

If they need to do stiff to make money to stay afloat, that's mostly capitalism's fault. As log as it can be turned off, unlike things in Chrome or Edge or some others, then it's not huge. And as long as they keep it open sourced, then forks can be made. Chromium based browsers still have too much reliance on Google stuff and use way too many resources. Gecko based browsers have been my preference for ages.

[-] bnalways733@lemmy.world -5 points 3 weeks ago

Unmozillaed Firefox for me is also non-woke...

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