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I know a lot of us, myself included, like to believe that piracy allows us to consume problematic media without supporting artists we do not like. But piracy demand also indicates to companies an untapped market that they could tap if they create the right product. HBO is absolutely keeping tabs on piracy of their show now and seeing our traffic the same way Crunchyroll used to keep tabs on pirated fan-translated anime back when they cared.

Also, there is a similar ethical zero-sum game with all other Harry Potter media and products. Normally we can buy on the secondary market if we need a hard copy to scan and rip but don't want to support the creators. But almost every Harry Potter book in circulation is purchased by someone with intention to sell for a profit, and HBO is also likely keeping tabs on sales and resales of DVDs of the old movies. Every time money leaves your bank account for Harry Potter media, you are directly feeding the ecosystem which sustains the Queen of the TERFs.

It's honestly pretty incredible how morally radioactive this one human is. Orson Scott Card is equally repugnant, but the Ender's Game series doesn't even have a small fraction of the market share of Harry Potter (IMHO this is the fault of that movie being just okayish, not good or bad, but that's another topic.) Trump's MAGA movement is comparable in badness, but there really isn't much most of us can do other than voting and never shutting up about how unconstitutional the things he is doing is. Rowling really is comparable to Disney or Nestlé, and she's just one person, not a whole company.

Right now, the only ethical way to consume Harry Potter is watching or reading movies and books on your copies that either:

  • you obtained before 2020
  • were given to you for free in some non-trackable way, e.g. offline or sneakernet.

There is no ethical Harry Potter consumption within capitalism. We will have to see if this changes once she is dead.

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[-] ZeroGravitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 86 points 1 week ago

I'm just here to bring to your attention Lev Grossman's "The Magicians", both the books and the assorted TV show, which is quite awesome in its own right, even if it diverges from the books by quite a bit. There's a whole world of awesome outside of HP, and even if it wasn't, I refuse to recast in my theater of the mind the extremely talented and deeply regretted Alan Rickman and Dame Maggie Smith.

[-] its_prolly_fine@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

The Magicians show lost me with the sudden graphic rape, that was then portrayed a good thing. Sucks you got raped but you get a consolation prize of extra powerful magic! Also the rapist has magic semen, and they need to get more.

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[-] Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 73 points 1 week ago

I'm barely aware it exists and almost never see anything about it.

Making a post called "Reminder: do not watch HBO's Harry Potter." Is literally marketing it and forcing people to think about it.

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 1 week ago

Do not think about pink elephants

[-] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago

We all just lost The Game.

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago
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[-] m4a@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago

That's a fair point. But I'm not sure how to make a clear title without the keywords. Naming things is such a frustrating, imprecise art.

[-] jwiggler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 week ago

I feel like by this logic you shouldn't have even brought it up since they also track Internet engagement...

[-] m4a@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 week ago

That's a fair criticism. I'm gonna hope their scrapers aren't looking at Lemmy, but they probably are.

[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

All scrapers look at Lemmy. When you search on google, Lemmy pops up in the results. You can't reasonably expect to be NOT scraped when you put things online.

[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 12 points 1 week ago

Marketing teams only track engagement on major social media, having a discussion about it on lemmy is not going to impact their metrics or even be considered

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[-] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 week ago

Agree 100%. I've been in some tough conversations with fellow LGBTQ+ allies over my participation, however minor, in the Harry Potter fandom. I'm seeing a lot of "it's fine if you liked it before we learned JKR was a bigot" but I'm also seeing a lot of people with the same story as mine — discovered the franchise back then, enjoyed it, but do not like what JKR is doing to the trans community — but also criticising me for the same. Like it's "fine" (to some extent?) if you're trans and JKR betrayed you, but if you're not trans, you're held to a higher standard as an ally. I dunno. It's confusing. I will not, however, back down from my claim that I enjoyed the first four (+HBP) books and the first four films before I learned she was crazy... and that this year I rewatched Philosopher's Stone in 4K (and yes, it holds up).

All that being said, the fears and concerns in the trans and LGBTQ+ community are valid. They may be jerks about it online, but as an ally, I can only ever strive to be a better one. I can't change what I liked in the past and I will not deny it, even to history revisers. But I can change what I do in the present, and I can always strive to Do Better.

I don't like the new Harry Potter series because of why it exists. JKR was disappointed the stars of the film series did not share her transphobic views, so she immediately made a point to recast Hermione and to make her completely different from Emma Watson's portrayal, as Watson was her most outspoken critic. She didn't make Hermione a Black girl to be inclusive, she did it to distance Watson from the character because Watson isn't transphobic. JKR further muddied the waters by saying that Dumbledore was gay and always had been (though no evidence of this is in the books — he's essentially treated as ace, as in, asexual, as in, his sexuality is undetermined and probably doesn't exist, which is fitting as the entirety of his character's relevance is mentorship to an adolescent boy). When the rest of the cast basically stood against her, she set out to recast all of them.

The new Harry Potter series looks like it might be fun, but I cannot in good conscience watch the new series. There are so many more things out there to see. Watching it with infinite time would be one thing, but I haven't got that, have I? I was fully grown when Philosopher's Stone came out, and I had no intention of seeing it. A coworker slipped me a bootleg copy (while it was still in cinemas!) and I watched it... twice. Then I went and saw it in cinema. I then collected the books and read them, and watched the movies, though I didn't like it after the fourth one. It stopped being fun. I'm currently reading Dungeon Crawler Carl, and by that I mean, of course, I'm listening to the audiobooks. I'm in the second to most current book, the seventh one, and it's still fun. It's gotten serious, but it's still fun. And, to the best of anyone's knowledge, Matt Dinniman (the author) and Jeff Hays (the audiobook narrator) are not bigots. That's the magical adventure series I'm looking forward to.

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[-] vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 1 week ago

i agree OP

fuck the haters and lowkey transphobes

[-] remon@ani.social 37 points 1 week ago

I doubt I'll watch it, still gonna download it and put on my media server regardless. Other people will want to watch it so it's better they watch it pirated on plex than on an official stream.

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 20 points 1 week ago

Harm reduction ftw

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

But piracy demand also indicates to companies an untapped market that they could tap if they create the right product

I agree with your conclusion of not watching it, but the reason that companies might observe and take a non-purchase as some kind of hypothetical market signal doesn't seem like the strongest argument for that, especially if people are avoiding the purchase specifically to deny them money for ethical reasons, that's not something they can resolve by making 'the right product'.

If pirating a Harry Potter show provides support to its author, I think that support is going to be more in the form of cultural relevance and mindshare than anything directly financial. Being a fan of an IP gives other people a reason to engage with it because your interest signals things to other people, like it means that by not watching it they might be left out of the loop etc, and since the law enforces property rights over what can be done with it and who can profit, that adds to the power of its owner by influencing the choices and interests of other people in their favor.

[-] LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

That is another reason to avoid it, at least for now. If you don't watch it, you don't talk about it, you don't give them free advertising. Piracy evokes demand in many ways. It will still be around in 20 years when no one is looking, anymore.

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

At this point it's only a matter of principle. JKR is a billionaire, her activism isn't limited by money. And most HP fans don't care or even know about her hateful views, so anything they put out will still make her millions.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 32 points 1 week ago

In any case, aside from JKR being a piece of shit who deserves zero support:

These remakes seem completely and utterly unnecessary and of questionable production quality anyway. Why rehash the classic movies that were actually decent adaptations of the source material? Is this one arc really the only story worth telling in that universe?

Boycott it because JKR is a Nazi. Don't watch it because it's yet more Hollywood remake slop.

[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago

Is this one arc really the only story worth telling in that universe?

JKR tried with the fantastic beasts films, it failed so hard it only get three out of the five planned films.

[-] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

they did not fail:

collectively grossed over US$1.8 billion across three films, three times more than the budgeted costs

they just weren’t as successful as the Harry Potter movies, and the second and third films had bad reviews (because they weren’t very good movies. but still, they had audience polls of B+)

[-] someone@lemmy.today 28 points 1 week ago

It's shocking to me someone would want to watch this.

Harry Potter was never good. Why would someone even want to read a Harry Potter book obtained before 2020???

The TERF stuff didn't make Harry Potter bad. It always sucked, and people only realized after the TERF stuff.

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[-] QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 week ago

I wouldn't watch it anyways, I got tired of Harry Potter in the early 2000s.

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago

Never thought I'd see the day when hexbear users would make a ton more sense than anyone else on a given topic. But here we are.

[-] eurodyne@piefed.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There’s a bunch of flaws in your logic here, not the least of which is:

There is no ethical Harry Potter consumption within capitalism.

Piracy isn’t capitalism

Edit: let me be more clear--

You're trying to resolve one ethical dilemma with another unresolved ethical dilemma: You're trying to resolve: "Can one appreciate an artist's work while acknowledging that the artist is detestable?" with the same logic as "Is digital piracy an ethical workaround to media capitalism?" and combine the two arguments into one solution: "Is it ethical to pirate Harry Potter media from HBO, even though I find both Rowling, HBO, and capitalism detestable?"

It's like asking, "As a strict environmentalist, is it ethical to drive my EV to the market if I know I had to charge it from an energy grid powered by coal plant (that I had no choice but to use)?" Because no matter how much personal opinion and moral relativism enters the ethical calculus, there's a logical breakdown at the crosspoint of systemics, when individual participation merges into participation at scale, how much your choice is actually a choice at all, how much your choice would make any difference, and on and on...

but before all of that, it doesn't make any logical sense to even go down that path since trying to resolve one ethical dilemma with another - especially expecting a black-and-white answer - is just a bit silly.

[-] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago

But privacy doesn't cancel capitalism. HBO doesn't need to know who downloaded, just how much people downloaded.

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[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 19 points 1 week ago

There is so much far better content out there to absorb other than Harry Potter. I can go without and be perfectly fine. I think we already have some of the books and DVDs from ages ago. So if my wife or I suddenly have the desire to revisit, we’re not consuming anything HBO or anyone else can even remotely trace.

[-] dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago

Damn straight!

Even if I wanted to watch a worse version of the movies I already watched, no fucking support for transphobes!

[-] its_prolly_fine@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

IMHO the onlyy ethical way to consume new HP media is original fanfics featuring LGTB+ characters. 😆

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

Meh, sail the seas and do what you want. This sounds like a plea from the corporate overlords to get you to not pirate their shit. Also, what show?

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