I'm not falling for this again. This is the same type of articles we saw back in 2016. Get out and vote like your country depends on it.
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It literally does. What did people "fall for"?
What did people “fall for”?
Pretty sure they're referring to how a lot of people didn't believe he could win in 2016. I don't know to what extent that actually affected voting, but even the pollsters (the supposed experts at election prediction) predicted he had no chance at winning.
Ugh, that’s what I said in 2015 when he descended a golden escalator to announce his candidacy. I have since lost any remaining faith in US politics. Everyone has become more insane since then and there has been absolutely no signs of rational discussion reentering the political forum.
"His threats to democracy make him dangerous. They also make him a weak candidate."
His threats to democracy are exactly what draws his supporters. They are inherently anti-democratic. We saw this on 1/6 and we saw it in all the challenges in the various swing states.
It's actively what they want.
He's good at catering to his base but he's driving away everyone that isn't a Christofascist. Democrats have outperformed polling the last 2 cycles, and I suspect it's due to this.
I remember everyone saying "don't worry, he won't win" the first time.
Forgive my if I maintain a pessimistic view this time around.
If Democrats take this seriously, they might have to vary their messaging or worse -- do something that might appeal to the despised left of the party.
If they just take victory as a foregone conclusion, they don't have to do shit. They can always blame the left of the party for any losses and use that as an excuse to move even farther to the right.
I fucking hope so!
You and me both, and I don't even live anywhere near to the U.S.
It doesn't matter where you live.
Fascists gaining control of the United States military would be the end of us all.
Especially Fascists led by an idiot who pondered using a nuke to stop a hurricane.
Trump’s flaws look far worse today than they did eight years ago. To take one example that should concern conservative voters: his behavior toward and views of service members. In the 2016 campaign, Trump’s attacks on Senator John McCain and on the Gold Star Khan family were bad enough. Now we have a litany of testimonies that he expressed contempt and disgust for wounded veterans—demanding that he not be seen in public with them—and that he debased fallen soldiers, describing them as “suckers” and marveling, “What was in it for them?” According to an Atlantic report, when he was scheduled to visit a World War I–era American cemetery in France in 2018, Trump complained, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” Trump has always posed as a patriot, but he has proved himself unpatriotic, anti-military, and ignorant of the meaning of sacrifice.
I don't think most people (or even just most conservatives) really care about this and it hasn't been getting very focused media coverage. I think the author is over-estimating its impact on the voting populace.
Similarly, in 2016, Trump’s campaign was briefly rocked by the Access Hollywood videotape in which he boasted about grabbing women by the genitalia. He survived, in large part because many voters chose to accept his comments as “locker room” bluster. Several women accused him of sexual misconduct, but Trump fended off their allegations too. Now he has been held civilly liable by a New York jury for sexually abusing the advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996. A federal judge has said that the jury concluded that what Trump did to Carroll was rape in the common sense of the term. Some Americans will shrug that off, but many won’t be able to.
Again, I'm skeptical that many Trump supporters would really have their choice to vote for him swayed by this. If they decided that the accusations were spurious and/or politically motivated when they were made, I can't see many of them changing their minds simply because a court felt differently.
Trump hopes that his legal troubles will prove a boon to his campaign, allowing him to paint both law enforcement and the judicial system as part of a massive conspiracy against him. He has even requested that his federal trial regarding efforts to overturn the 2020-election results be televised. That’s unlikely, but the more airtime these prosecutions get, the better. Among Republicans, Trump’s polling has improved since his indictments, but many other Americans simply won’t be impressed, inspired, or persuaded by someone who faces 91 felony counts, in addition to civil cases.
This actually makes sense to me. I think Trump's Achilles' heel is that he is really only able to appeal to those who already agree with him, and thus over time his appeal shrinks to a smaller and smaller group of truly loyal supporters. The more exposure he gets, the more reasonable people see him for what he really is and revise their opinions of him.
On top of all this, Trump has a strong record of electoral losses, with his 2016 upset, which apparently surprised even him, as the lone exception. His party suffered the standard midterm defeat in 2018. Then he lost the 2020 election. Then Republicans lost control of the Senate after Georgia’s runoff in early 2021. Then his party was denied the standard midterm victory in 2022, barely eking out a four-vote House majority thanks in large part to his own handpicked, election-denying candidates, almost all of whom lost in competitive races. There is no obvious reason that 2024 should constitute a sudden break from this pattern of MAGA defeat.
Yes, there is: he'll be running again. Why shouldn't we expect the same "upset" that happened in 2016? His supporters will be motivated to vote for him in ways they were not motivated to vote for other Republicans in other years.
Recent polling suggests that Biden is in real trouble, including with a number of core Democratic constituencies, which is leading many Democrats to yearn for a different candidate or to despair that Trump will be reelected. In fact, Biden has a strong record to run on. In his first two years, with a tiny House majority and only a tiebreaker in the Senate, he managed to pass more progressive, consequential economic legislation than, arguably, any president since Lyndon B. Johnson. Unemployment is low, and inflation is cooling. Perhaps the public has not fully felt these positive developments yet, but they will almost certainly have registered by next November.
This is total speculation and seems like wishful thinking from the author, quite frankly. Regardless of Biden's actual record, what matters is how he's perceived by the people. Liberals are relatively split on him, from what I can tell, and it largely has to do with how far Left a person is and how old. Younger, futher-Left people are more unhappy with him than older, more mainstream liberals. Biden is undebatably an institutional, moderate Democrat. But I don't think that will matter when it's just down to Trump or him. I think his liberal detractors will realize what's at stake and vote for him anyway. If I'm wrong on that, Lemmy will have supported the fascists, fucking commie purists.
The abortion issue, opened up by the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade, has consistently played in Democrats’ favor, and that’s unlikely to change next November. If the Republican nominee were former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, women might not rally so powerfully to the Democratic side. But Trump claims responsibility for the decision overturning Roe by virtue of his Supreme Court appointees. That, plus Trump’s treatment of women, gives Biden a huge opportunity with female voters.
I agree with this. I think conservatives have underestimated how much even their own women value their reproductive rights, to the point where I would be willing to bet many conservative women vote at odds with what they claim their views on abortion are when they're in the voting booth.
Biden’s pro-Israel policies during the ongoing war in Gaza might cost him support from Arab and Muslim Americans, but probably not enough for him to lose Michigan, for example, to Trump. Voters in those groups seem unlikely to support the author of the “Muslim ban,” who is threatening to reimpose similar restrictions, and the “Peace to Prosperity” Israeli-Palestinian proposal that invited Israel to annex 30 percent of the occupied West Bank. Some will stay home—a potential danger for Biden—but many will, perhaps reluctantly, turn out for him despite what they say now.
I think that's fair analysis. I feel bad for Muslim and Jewish Americans these days. The war between Israel and Palestine has complicated/exacerbated Muslim-Jewish relations across the globe, and Biden's pro-Israel policies, combined with Trump's anti-Arab policies have put American Muslims in a difficult position when it comes to who to vote for (or if to vote).
Hate him—but my bet is on him winning in 2024. Not because I want him, but because this is gonna be rigged correctly this time. The 2020 election attempt was just a foot in the water to see if it would be chopped off, and since nothing happened the full attack is coming.
Pessimistic paranoia is no more useful than optimistic willful ignorance. There's no indication that there was a meaningful attempt to rig the 2020 election on either side, so I don't know why you're alleging there was. I do think it's reasonable to predict that the Far Right will try hard this time to interfere with the voting process and create chaos in order to claim that said election was rigged, but I also think it's a reasonable prediction that States will take even more precautions this time around to ensure election integrity. Just wait and see what happens. I too got burned in 2016 in that I didn't think Trump had a chance in Hell, but my new position is simply not to try to make predictions. If Trump really does win, I suspect it will be because swing voters decided to be idiots again, and we as a nation will deserve what happens to us. However, it may be that they've finally seen enough of Trump to know him for what he is by this point.
2024 is going to be a national IQ test for America. Hopefully, we'll come out only semi-retarded.
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"Nature abhors a moron." - H. L. Mencken
Nature abhors a moron but voters seem to fucking love them
"The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L. Mencken
The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.
- Douglas Adams
"HE'S JUST LIKE US!" ignores that he's a New York elite who shits in a gold plated toilet
He is what they want to be. Morons lack imagination. They want to be who they are right now (ie racist, sexist, narcissistic pigs) but also rich and immune to consequences, or seemingly so.
His blatant criminality and removal from anything resembling real-life struggles is not a downside that's ignored. It's part of the draw.
I wonder if he still would believe that today
I think this is very possibly true, I think most voters wave away accusations of their preferred political candidate but actually believe jury trial results. The subset where that flips their vote is smaller, I believe the 6% that one poll found. But that's plenty to flip an election, all else equal.
The scary part is that there are other factors. If Trump gets convicted on one or two of the charges and also the economy goes into an unexpected downturn close to the election like in 2008, Trump might get elected anyway and that's a really bad precedent.
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