Gotta love the irony of Gaetz condemning McCarthy for not being "a team player."
this post was submitted on 04 Jan 2024
211 points (97.3% liked)
politics
19144 readers
2132 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Prominent member of the "Fuck Everyone Who Isn't Me" Party fucks over his party.
Shocking!
Wow, so if a couple more Republicans either retire or die… control of the house could switch parties. I did not have “McCarthy backbone underflow exception” on my bingo card for last year lol
"Taking my ball and going home" is definitely a Republican playbook move. Not surprising in the slightest
So Democrats would go back to having a majority in the house and just enough Democratic senators voting with Republicans.
Control of the house is important in the context of the transfer of power, or the continuation of the current administration if reelected. I would absolutely expect Johnson (the current speaker) to do something fucky - especially if Trump is a candidate in the general, and isn’t disqualified (as he should be automatically (A14S3).
They still have a 219-213 majority. So a couple retiring or dying wouldn't do the trick. If 3 of them switched parties though, that would be nuts.
Huh, for some reason I thought there was a few more seats that had either shifted around or been vacated, but I just re-checked and it seems there’s not. Thank you for the correction.
I’d say it’s typical actually for a reactionary. The goal for him and his ilk is power, not policy. If he can’t have power, he doesn’t care.
Don't get any hopes up.
The last time Democrats had a supermajority, their biggest legislative achievement was a health care band-aid dreamed up by the ultra conservative heritage foundation designed to ensure big health insurance keeps profiting off sickness and death, and passed originally by Republican Governor Mitt Romney. And there are still uninsured Americans, and people being economically destroyed despite having supposed health coverage.
Republicans are the greater villains, and I vote for Democrats solely on that basis of least bad harm reduction, but lets not pretend either party is the people's champion, or at all interested in addressing our disgusting, embarrassing, massive socioeconomic inequity.
We have the villain party(R), the feckless wet noodle party(D), and within the feckless wet noodle party, all of about 2-5 people between both chambers of Congress who openly advocate for policy that would actually do good for most of the citizenry. And those 2-5 are despised by both parties proper far more than those parties hate one another.
The Dems had 59 senate seats, not 60. They never had an actual supermajority. The 60th seat was an independent that caucused with dems, Lieberman, and who single handly killed single payer because he had several large insurance companies HQ'ed in his state and wanted the payoff.
Obama did fuck up in trying to negotiate with the GOP for a year, only to have them all vote no. He also fucked up by not pushing it through before ted Kennedy's vacant seat was filled by a Republican.
So what we got from that "not actually a super majority" was a shit system that still got 60 more million americans on some kind of health insurance, and that number is climbing. It removed pre-existing condition as the primary "dont have to pay" card for insurance companies, and it set maximum profits for them to boot.
Overall it's still pretty fucking weak, but it is something that has helped basically every american, and has helped some of them greatly.
By the by, this is also why "obama should have made abortion legal" was a hard sell. The lack of an actual super majority and about 4-5 anti-choice dem senators. With no one thinking the supreme court would ever overrule roe v wade, it made sense to spend politcal capitol trying to get universal healthcare instead. Too bad they didnt really succeed.
Oh I 100% agree. If Republicans weren’t the only other option, I would never vote for any Democrat who wasn’t a staunch progressive. But we’re trapped in a two party system that’s trying to kill us.
So, Mr. Gaetz, if you really feel that House Speaker Pelosi was better, maybe it's time to let the adults in the room get governing? You know, like Mr. Jeffries and his crew?
That way, you and the rest of the Republicans can get back to your whiny corner without any worry of responsibility?
Did you see that post about the Taliban being frustrated with needing to govern instead of running around with the boys? The Republicans in Congress sure do sound awfully similar.
Running a country is just so much work, ya know?
LOL
Ol' Matty boy is so angry that he just praised Nancy Pelosi lol
But McCarthy’s departure was notable for one amusing, and politically significant reason. With the end of his tenure as the representative from California’s 20th Congressional District, McCarthy—in what appears to be a fit of pique—screwed over the House Republican Caucus that he had led until his unceremonious removal from the speakership last fall. By choosing to quit at the end of 2023, McCarthy took with him the one thing he had to offer his fellow partisans: protection for their rapidly dwindling majority.
i missed this bit about them losing the majority. it just sounded like 'chaos as usual'.
They didn't. It's just smaller now
They didn't. It's just smaller now
They didn’t. It’s just smaller now
Matt Gaetz should be ecstatic about this.
The GOP will never throw him over now, no matter how many teenagers he rapes.
I mean. Him being a pedophile and a pimp was always a plus as far as republicans were concerned.
Makes sense that they'd be looking for a new hookup since their last guy "killed himself" in his cell while the cameras were experiencing technical difficulties.
Plus he and his fellow psychos have more power over the GOP. The problem is their typical "fail to govern to show that government doesn't work is going a little too well and people are getting wise.
Anything that makes Matt Gaetz angry is my favorite thing
BTW: Congress is next scheduled to convene on the 8th
Have to wonder how effective he’ll be as a lobbyist at the moment.
i guess... they were pretty much already useless before he left, its not like much has changed
This actually changes a lot. If house republicans put up particularly MAGAy bills, their fellow members in tight districts can't safely either not vote or vote against those bills. Otherwise, their vote will be used against them in campaign ads that very well may end their career. Voting for the bill will upset their moderate voters, voting against will upset the MAGA voters and the rest of the caucus.
Traditionally, for more controversial bills, Rs in moderate districts would abstain to stay off the radar.
So, to keep the caucus the safest move for the Rs is to not bring up anything (which, notable with the slim majority they have now, they've already slowed bills rolling out). But then Ds can very easily still campaign against the Rs in purple districts for being do-nothing politicians.
The Government will shutdown on Jan 15th if they don't pass some sort of legislation, and that's also super bad for the "governing" party.