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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 120 points 10 months ago (23 children)

For not listing her prior name as a recent name change. She can use the name she wants.

[–] SqueakyBeaver@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 10 months ago

I read about this from Erin Reed. She said that there was 1) no place on the rules of the petition that said she had to list it and 2) no place to write it in on the petition

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

It’s also a law that’s been on the books years, and last modified in 1995. It’s a common sense law. Candidates should not be able to hide past indiscretions with a name change. It has nothing to do with trans issues or dead names.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Candidates should be able to hide past indiscretions with a name change.

unfortunate typo

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[–] snooggums@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well, they can apparently get married to hide their past indiscretions.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You don't get to change your first name my marriage, and generally, records are not sealed so people can find out their maiden name. Changing your name via court order can be sealed and often involves changing both first and last names.

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[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

And yet getting married and changing your name without disclosure is fine.

[–] growsomethinggood@reddthat.com 8 points 10 months ago (8 children)

"Recent" being within 5 years seems understandable in a general political context, however is a little cruel to trans people who usually don't want their deadnames out in the public. Would this ruling be applied the same way to married people who changed their name?

[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Would this ruling be applied the same way to married people who changed their name?

You would know if you would read the article.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 115 points 10 months ago (9 children)

The law makes sense. If someone is a convicted felon, changes their name to avoid the inevitable Google searches, and decides to run for office, that former name absolutely should be disclosed.

What's weird here is the limit of "past 5 years" and "excluding marriage."

So totally cool for a felon to change their name MORE than 5 years ago, or, simply get married, no disclosure required.

So what even is the purpose of the law?

[–] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago

So, what you're saying is... the law actually doesn't make sense. It should be that if they were a convicted felon, then that should be disclosed along with their old name. All of the other conditions here seem unnecessary unless we want to include name changes in general, which then they need to add a space on the actual form to include this.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Looking at you Ted Cruz... the zodiac killer

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago

I think it would make more sense if you either

a) couldn't change your name as a convicted felon

b) your new name would be updated in the records maybe?

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 7 points 10 months ago

That you're not a recently convicted felon, I suppose.

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[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 84 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Ohio law requires people running for political office who have changed their name within the last five years to include their former names on candidacy petitions.

That's not entirely unreasonable, but It seems like that's the sort of thing they should make clear in the paperwork when you file a candidacy petition. "Have you legally changed your name in the last 5 years for any reason other than marriage?"

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 62 points 10 months ago (24 children)

Just curious. Why make an exception for marriage? If the intention is so people can identify you if they recently knew you by your previous name, that seems even more pertinent.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Religious BS, probably. Marriage is religious in origin.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Not religious in origin, but the people who propose using it as exclusions to laws think so.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The answer is that there shouldn't be. And a woman changing her name to match her husband's is archaic patriarchal bullshit. I'm glad my wife decided not to do that.

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[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’m just spit-balling here, but I assume the reason for requiring someone to disclose a recent name change is so that you don’t have someone trying to run under a new name for reasons of deception. “What’s that? Oh no, it’s okay, I know that Donald Trump can’t be on the ballot, but my name is Ronald Krump. Common mistake.”

In most jurisdictions you can legally change your name when you get married without paying a fee or filing any other paperwork (don’t ask me if that applies to men, that’s a whole other archaic bit of bullshit). It’s therefore also the most common reason for someone to change their name, and I guess they just figured nobody would bother getting married just so they could get on a ballot with a different name.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Yeah it feels very much like a situation where a cis person with a good reason to have changed their name may have gotten a heads up instead of a disqualification

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[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Let's call this what it is: erecting a humiliating barrier in front of someone to prevent them from running for office

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[–] Pavidus@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I'm not disputing the rules, they just seem so damn archaic at this point. The digital era made a lot of this redundant. Got my social? The government knows who I am. Got my current ID? The government knows who I am.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

Yeah who do they think changed her name? It’s in the public record because a judge did it

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

Meanwhile Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley...

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Isn’t listing your former legal names kind of common for just about anything government related? If she got married and took her spouse’s last name she’s be in the same boat. No?

Also, is there no way to rectify a stupid clerical error?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not really. I changed my name in Ohio about 5 years ago when I transitioned and it hasn’t really come up since. I would’ve made the same mistake since this is the name I’ve used exclusively for years except when clarifying about my past. I occasionally have to bring out my name change paperwork solely because I never got around to editing my birth certificate but these days my passport is updated so I just have to use that to prove citizenship.

The other big reason I wouldn’t think to disclose is because this state has mandatory publication of non-marital name changes. In order to change my name I had to pay a newspaper to announce it so it’s in the public record beyond court records. I would have assumed that counted as sufficient declaration to the state that my name has been changed

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

I'd be in favor of an exception for trans people transitioning just like there's an exception for people who just got married but it sounds like the real problem is nobody told her the requirements.

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