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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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ALLIES

!abolition@slrpnk.net

!acab@lemmygrad.ml

r/ACAB

r/BadCopNoDonut/

Randy Balko

The Civil Rights Lawyer

The Honest Courtesan

Identity Project

MirandaWarning.org

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

Campaign Zero

Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

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[–] M500@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Wtf? Why does an interior designer need training?

Isn’t it just like picking colors and furniture?

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I can't really comment on how much is a sufficient amount of training for law enforcement, cuz fuck if I know. There's certainly no shortage of problems from cops, but is the root of that problem their training? I suspect it has more to do with the quality of applicant / screening in the hiring process. There are a handful of kinds of people who'd be interested in a career in law enforcement, and most of those are the kind of person who shouldn't be trusted with ANY authority.

You can't train someone out of being a shitty person.

Tbh the column on the left is the one that elicits more of a 'seriously?' from me. Why in the everliving FUCK would I need more than a couple youtube videos worth of insight + a cert showing you understand how and why to clean sharp shit between clients to give hair cutting or nail painting a shot? Result might not be pretty right out the gate; but legally speaking, who cares? Price it low until your skills increase.

[–] Mirrorgiraffe@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

If any cop is as good at their work as I am on Slay the spire they'd do their job properly, shitty person or not!

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[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

Well obviously. You have to live with a bad haircut for at least a few weeks, what could a police officer do that would affect your life as much as that?

[–] Astongt615@lemmy.one 7 points 10 months ago

Somehow Florida made it highest in this list. Let that sink in...

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dude fuck it I'm just gonna sign up.

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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I'm somewhere between FL interior designer and MI electrical sign specialist on Destiny 2.

[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So I agree with a bunch of the sections on one of the columns and guess which one it is.

[–] PotentialProblem@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm cool with the standards for barbers, sign technicians, and manicurists.

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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Had more hours running from cops and doing mayhem in GTA. Never hurt any dog.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

In fact, got Chopper laid a couple of times.

[–] EvilEyedPanda@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

So I could be the dictator of a civilization?

[–] wintermutehal@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I have more hours in Payday 2 shooting cops than they took to train…nice

[–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

TIL Michigan's state outline looks like a floating hand patting a baby T-rex's head

[–] Twelve20two@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 months ago

At long last, the upper peninsula is recognized as the hand!

[–] Lightrider@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 10 months ago

Goddamned fascists

[–] Mantis_Toboggan@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Damn, I’d be like a ranked officer if I’d transfer all my Cities Skylines hours!

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Til barbers have required training

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