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[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

About half the people who completely demonize this will still call for some form of it in America. "We won't abuse it unlike them." "We need to stomp out hate speech" "Think of the children".

This is disgusting no matter what, and even if you somehow think a current government won't abuse this, what happens when someone else runs the government?

[–] enu@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Couldn't agree more! This is why the internet needs to stay as it is: anonymous, uncensored and open to all. At this point a free and open internet is an essential part of liberty.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Internet is hardly anonymous unless out really go out of your...

It is very much censored just not here so far.

It us vaguely open to all but we got some barriers. But access in US is good.

[–] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree, however what are the alternatives for those that do not have a computer degree. Other than lodging a complaint with local government, how is one supposed to navigate the crap we have in today's technological world?

[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Education of others, voicing dissent, explaining valid cases why people legally want these devices, and also reminding people just because something CAN be used for wrong, doesn't mean we should ban it. Equating freedom of speech with it too is important.

In general though my opinion is governments shouldn't try to legislate technology because technology is faster moving than it, and overall the understanding of the technology is foolish. It's why SOPA was such a trainwreck because it wasn't written by an unbiased party, but it also was written as a way to grab power, but wouldn't actually be able to stop Piracy.

Also donating to good charities is a good thing, groups like EFF do well in trying to fight against these bills (And I'm sure there's jobs you can do with out a computer degree if you're willing to volunteer time as well.

Also learn programming if you're interesting... It's fun... Where fun is defined as soul breaking half the time but orgasmic the rest :) ... Orgasmic not guarenteed.

Great suggestions and something I will need to look further into. Some of these I had not thought of myself. Thank you.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let's hear the defense, Tankies. Tell us why this is a good thing.

[–] Marxine@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

No tankie worth their salt would say it's a good thing, lol. Being anti-NATO doesn't immediately mean someone is pro-Putin.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are lots of pro-Putin Tankies. Lots and lots.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Funnily enough that's what the right-wing nuts and left-wing nuts in Germany have in common. We're living in the strangest timeline.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Propaganda good enough to blur any lines

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

garfield.jpg

[–] Marxine@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(I'm implying that you, as many others, equate "tankies" with "communists")

That's why I restricted to only those worth their salt. Russian-right-wing larpers aren't welcome in any communist group.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Putin isn't a communist. So no.

[–] Marxine@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Afaik it's consensus for communists to be both anti-NATO and anti-Putin, as is my case. But since lots of people now just use "tankie" as a derogatory term for "communist" instead of "Putin supporter and Russian supremacist", I felt like making the distinction was a good call.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, I definitely did not mean communist. I am a socialist, but I am sympathetic to communist ideas.

[–] Marxine@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then I'm glad to be your acquaintance, comrade. We might have different ideas on how things could be better and how to fight for them, but we definitely know what the real issues are.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[–] SloganLessons@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

I think the others missed that memo

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just other pro genocidal super stars of 1900s?

[–] Marxine@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you implying killing Nazi soldiers during ww2 was bad?

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Killing Nazis isn't bad, allying with them before being betrayed was. Killing Nazis in self-defense isn't genocide, Holodomor was.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact?

Yep.

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[–] BloodForTheBloodGod@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

And tankies aren't worth salt as it is.

[–] tal@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not a tankie, but I don't think that the idea of justifying political repression in Russia is likely to be much of a challenge. The Bolsheviks justified single-party rule and their own political repressions for a long time. If you're a tankie, you're presumably already willing to accept that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguardism

Vanguardism in the context of Leninist revolutionary struggle, relates to a strategy whereby the most class-conscious and politically "advanced" sections of the proletariat or working class, described as the revolutionary vanguard, form organizations to advance the objectives of communism.

The notion of a 'vanguard', as used by Lenin before 1917, did not necessarily imply single-party rule. Lenin considered the Social-Democrats (Bolsheviks) the leading elements of a multi-class (and multi-party) democratic struggle against Tsarism.[7] For a period after the October Revolution, the Bolsheviks (now renamed the Communist Party) operated in the soviets, trade unions, and other working-class mass organisations with other revolutionary parties, such as Mensheviks, Social-Revolutionaries and anarcho-communists, and local soviets often elected non-Bolshevik majorities.[8] Lenin did consider the Bolsheviks the vanguard insofar as they were the most consistent defenders of Soviet power (which he considered the dictatorship of the proletariat or 'Commune-state').[9] However, the situation changed drastically during the Russian Civil War and economic collapse, which decimated the working class and its independent institutions, and saw the development of irreconcilable conflicts between the Bolsheviks and their rivals. At the 10th Congress of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) in 1921, the Party made the de facto reality de jure by outlawing opposition parties and formalising single-Party rule.[10]

The impetus for having a vanguard party was used by the Bolsheviks to justify their suppression of other parties. Their rationale was that since they were the vanguard of the proletariat, their right to rule could not be legitimately questioned.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Seems like Putin is trying to recreate the CCP's great firewall to hide the scope of his failure in invading Ukraine. It kind of reminds me of the last days of the USSR when they tried desperately to hide how bad the situation was. I'm curious how he technically plans to prevent foreign VPN use, he could create lists of known servers but my understanding is that VPN traffic is encrypted and not able to be identified as such, and of course he's incapable of stopping starlink or similar satellite internet access.

[–] sveske_juice@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It is possible to detect if traffic is being tunneled through a VPN with deep packet inspection. The great firewall actually does this and blocks popular VPN protocols like wireguard. However its possible to bypass the firewall by hiding/masking the traffic as being HTTPS data (like visiting a website) with software like shadowsocks.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about those Russian trolls, then?

The ones spewing Russian propaganda? Probably the government itself

[–] Techmaster@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Putin has signed new laws that will decimate online anonymity

So Putin is going to remove 10% of online anonymity?

[–] flint5436@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Putin forces 90% of online anonymity to murder the remaining 10%.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Decimate means remove 90% right?

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Not originally when it was a punishment for legions that fled in battle. Every ten men would draw lots and one of them would be killed.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The best democracy money can get you!

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All elections 110% turnout, guaranteed!

[–] SpunkyBarnes@geddit.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A majority of Republicans will be nodding their heads in agreement with this bullshit.

[–] 1chemistdown@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

And use a vpn

[–] callmepk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Damn, this looks like China’s Internet Real-name System

[–] tal@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Starting this year, internet platforms must verify new users' identities via state-approved systems, before granting access. VPN circumvention advice will constitute a crime, certain Gmail use will be banned, and non-state-approved hosting companies will be rendered illegal.

Since its invasion of Ukraine in February, Russian Members of Parliament and lawmakers have taken turns to see who can come up with the most aggressive anti-Western legislative proposals.

Maybe "anti-Western" isn't the best term. That kind of seems likely to hurt the Russian public more than the West.

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